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Re: [Samba] Domain Administrator and shares problems

On 08.10.2018 21:02, Rowland Penny via samba wrote:
On Mon, 8 Oct 2018 18:53:45 +0200
Peter Milesson via samba <samba@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi folks,
Setting up and managing the shares on the Samba member server differs
significantly from the Samba Wiki documentation. It seems that the
domain Administrator account, and the Domain Admins group haven't got
any elevated privileges whatsoever. On the contrary, it seems the
privileges are even lower than for the Anyone group. This resulted in
a very quirky and non standard way of share setup and management.

The different steps I have gone through are described below.

I follow the step-by-step description in the Wiki

- The folder for the share is created
- The Linux ownership and permissions of the folder are set
(root:"Domain Admins" and 0770)
- The share is defined in smb.conf on the member server
- Restarting the daemons (nmbd winbindd smbd)
Try running this on the Unix domain member:
net rpc rights list privileges SeDiskOperatorPrivilege -S $(hostname
-f) -k -P

It should give you something like this:


If you then run this on a DC:

samba-tool group listmembers Administrators

You should get this:

Domain Admins
Enterprise Admins

This shows that both 'Domain Admins' & 'Administrator' both have the
required privileges.

- Logging in as domain Administrator on a Windows PC
- Opening up Computer Management in Windows
- Connecting to the samba member server
- Clicking on Shared folders, a long error message about DCOM is
displayed, but the shares on the member server is displayed anyway.
You can ignore the message, as you have found out, it is meaningless.

- Selecting the share, right click and selecting Properties, and
Share Permissions tab
- Setting Domain Users having Read & Change permissions, and Domain
Admins Full Control, removing Everyone from the list
Don't remove anything, in fact, ignore the share permissions tab.

- Switching to the Security tab, which is blank, which effectively
Now here is a problem, it shouldn't be blank, is a firewall running on
the Unix domain member holding the 'Profiles' share ?

means that anything that deals with security is not available to the
accounts Domain Users and Domain Admins. Which in turn implies that
none of those groups can do anything with the share (i.e. lacking
administrative permissions).
It should work, check that smbd, nmbd & winbind are running and not
being blocked by anything.

- It could stop here. But...

- Going back to the Share Permissions tab and adding Everyone with
full share permissions
- Once again going to the Security tab, which now displays all the
default permissions. One of the users in the list is for example Unix
- Now it is possible to add different security objects and set
permissions. But adding the domain Administrator to the security
objects list is almost a guarantee to get into trouble, no matter
what permissions the Administrator is given.

I succeeded to setup working shares on the Samba member server this
way, but it feels wrong, and it's definitely not the standard way to
do things.

Besides, on the Samba member server also, the domain Administrator
account behaves like a normal user account, not like the root
I think you may be operating under a misapprehension, Windows users are
just Windows users and Unix users are just Unix users. You can map
Windows users to Unix users or make them Unix users by giving them a
uidNumber attribute or using the winbind 'rid' backend, but making a
Windows user a Unix user, just gives it the same rights as any other
Unix user.
When you map 'Administrator' to the Unix user 'root', Administrator
becomes root, with all the rights that root has, this means
Administrator can do anything on Unix.
The Windows user Administrator shouldn't really log into a Unix
machine, just as the Unix user root shouldn't be able to log into a
Windows machine.

account, like this on the folder grulf:

(using root)  drwxrwx---   2 root domain admins 4096 Oct  8 18:19

(using adminstrator) drwxrwx---   2 administrator domain admins 4096
Oct  8 18:19 grulf
Yes, it does show it isn't working for you, but not for the reason you
think ;-)

[root@cen1804 ~]# ls -la /data/samba
total 4
drwxr-xr-x  4 root root        41 Oct  8 18:37 .
drwxr-xr-x  3 root root        19 Oct  8 18:37 ..
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root         6 Oct  8 18:37 common_docs
drwxrwxr-x+ 2 root unix admins  6 Oct  8 18:37 profiles

If you look carefully at the line that ends in 'profiles', you will see
a '+' sign, this means that ACL's are set on the share.

[root@cen1804 ~]# getfacl /data/samba/profiles/
getfacl: Removing leading '/' from absolute path names
# file: data/samba/profiles/
# owner: root
# group: unix\040admins

and if I return to my Win7 VM running ADUC and add myself to the
security tab:

[root@cen1804 ~]# getfacl /data/samba/profiles/
getfacl: Removing leading '/' from absolute path names
# file: data/samba/profiles/
# owner: root
# group: unix\040admins

So, you can see that it does work.

What filesystem are you using ?

smb.conf AD DC
          netbios name = KONADC
          realm = SAMDOM.LOCAL
          server role = active directory domain controller
          workgroup = SAMDOM
          idmap_ldb:use rfc2307 = yes
          username map = /etc/samba/user.map
You do not use a 'user.map' on a DC, it uses idmap.ldb instead


Hi Rowland,

Plenty of information here...


- Running net rpc rights list ... etc, and  samba-tool group listmember Administrator returns exactly what you have got. - The share permissons tab has got one single entry the first time it's opened, and that's Everyone, with Full control (see below, about ACLs) - If I leave Everyone in the share permissions tab with Full control, the Security tab displays the default security objects, and is editable and sort of working. Starting to mix in Administrator here, and things go wrong...

On purpose, getting things straight before stepping up security, I have turned off firewalld and selinux on both the AD DC, and the member server. I have made extra sure that no sssd (neither client, nor daemon), or other irrelevant daemons are installed. Everything is just plain as plain as possible. I have really stepped down security as much as possible here, just to get things working. I'm always using ext4 file systems. The other file systems on offer are too experimental to my taste ;-)

I am not trying to get any account defined through AD to login into a Linux machine. The member server I have set up is intended to work with Windows ACLs only on all shares. No shell logins with AD users. No Posix ACLs. The only shell accounts allowed will be local root, and a local user account with sudo permissions. Likewise, no connections from the member server to Windows machines. I regard the Samba member server as any Windows file server in this respect. The only purpose is to supply shares for different purposes. Nothing else.

IMHO, if I manage the shares through AD, except for the small work of defining a share in smb.conf, I want the rest of the work to be more or less agnostic when it comes to management. In this respect, I really don't care if the server supplying shares is running Linux, Windows, or BananaOS. The domain administrator has got very extensive privileges in a Windows environment. Mapping this to root on a Samba member server is just logical on a domain member server running Samba in this context. That I prefer Linux over Windows is also irrelevant here. Those points could be debated till the next Big Bang...

When you show the ACLs above, it's ringing a bell. When running mkdir under CentOS 7.5, the folder is created with plain Linux permissions, without using any extended attributes, or ACLs at all. When having been manipulated via Windows Computer Management, ACLs are also applied. Maybe this is the problem, that CentOS does not apply ACLs by default when creating a folder?

Anyway, it sort of works, I managed to make the migration from a NT4 PDC (from 2011) to AD without loss of user profiles. In the current state, the behavior is ugly, but it works, differently from setting up a share on a Windows server, however. But still, it seems that the Samba member server still does not honor the privileges of the domain Administrator, and regards it like "ordinary" user "Donald with very tiny permissions", belonging to the group "Domain Users".

Next step, I'm going to try it out on a freshly setup domain, an AD DC, a member server, and a Windows domain PC, without any historical ballast. There may have been lots of garbage left, that's giving trouble. I don't know, until it's tested.

Thank you very much for your input so far. Really appreciated.

Best regards,


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