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Re: [Samba] backup of tdb files

On Fri, 2018-09-21 at 11:29 +0200, Philipp Gesang via samba wrote:
> Hi,
> how would I go about dumping tdb files in a “neutral” format,
> preferably JSON?
> The goal is to have a domain member functional after restoring
> from a backup without re-joining. 

Do take care that the password is changed by winbindd regularly.  It
might not work any more.

> Ideally, the backed up version
> does not depend on the tdb because of concerns about the
> stability of the format. A backup set must remain usable despite
> a multi-major version Samba update happening in between.

I understand your concern, but on the flip side we have actually been
pretty conservative on that.  Of course the way to assure that into the
future is to add tests using current and past databases.

> By trial and error I determined that
> /var/lib/samba/private/{netlogon_creds_cli,secrets}.tdb are the
> only files from whose removal smbd can’t recover, so those are
> the files I’m currently concerned with.

It should be only secrets.tdb.  The netlogon_creds_cli.tdb can be re-
built from the domain member password.

A long time ago I posted a script to dump the machine password to
stdout for the benifit of an 802.1x client, but it never had tests so
didn't get in.  

I could see JSON working well for this also.  Perhaps extend either
samba-tool or net to print out the domain SID, local SID, domain member
password and hostname?

(There are other elements of state, like idmap values, but how far you
go depends on the local configuration needs, but these would be the
four most critical items). 

Then extend 'net join' to accept these for an offline join and 'samba-
tool computer' to print out such values (not the local sid).  That
could really help in automation. 

> Another issue is that dumping those files with the tdb tools
> yields opaque binary data, e. g.
>         # tdbdump private/netlogon_creds_cli.tdb
>         {
>         key(43) = "CLI[UNDEF/UNDEF$]/SRV[FOO-SERVER-2008/FOO]\00"
>         data(96) = "\FF\FF\0Fa\FB\E1\8C\03{\81\D3\8B\D9\D5\81\C4-
> \02\E8Cq\F9\A1[\F4\19\A7\22\D5\C4\A8~\B1\A6;\85;\F4\0C\CC\B6\86\99\8C
> \FF\9E\9A\17\02\00\00\00\06\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\06\00\00\00UNDEF\00\
> 00\00\07\00\00\00\00\00\00\00\07\00\00\00UNDEF$\00\00\00\00\00\00"
>         }
> How stable are those values? Is there a way to destructure them
> for the backup to reconstruct them during restore in case the
> format changes?

Thankfully this file and these values shouldn't be needed. 

> What about portability? Are tdb contents platform independent? Is
> a secrets.tdb created with 32 bit Samba usable on a 64 bit build
> and vice versa?

Yes, tdb files are portable.

Thanks for your interest and passion for improving Samba, this is
really important stuff to improve.  

I'll get your other JSON patches in soon.


Andrew Bartlett
Andrew Bartlett                       http://samba.org/~abartlet/
Authentication Developer, Samba Team  http://samba.org
Samba Developer, Catalyst IT          http://catalyst.net.nz/services/samba

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