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Re: Browser vendors win war with W3C over HTML and DOM standards




My bloviated meandering follows what »Q« graced us with on 5/30/2019 7:46 PM:
In <news:UYudnRvdp9t9423BnZ2dnUU7-QPNnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
Sailfish <NIXCAPSsailfish@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

My bloviated meandering follows what WaltS48 graced us with on
5/30/2019 7:57 AM:
On 5/29/19 10:06 PM, Sailfish wrote:
My bloviated meandering follows what WaltS48 graced us with on 5/29/2019 1:43 PM:
On 5/29/19 10:47 AM, »Q« wrote:
In <news:BZ6dndjo5vm9-3DBnZ2dnUU7-Q_NnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
Sailfish <NIXCAPSsailfish@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
REF:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/browser-vendors-win-war-with-w3c-over-html-and-dom-standards/

[excerpt quote=\"
An industry group made up the four major browser vendors, such
as Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Mozilla, have won a tug-of-war
with the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), the standards body
for the World Wide Web, effectively proving that without their
support, the W3C's ability to regulate web standards is
nonexistent. \" /]
When competitors own standards criteria, 'standards' becomes an
oxymoron.
The article sort of makes it seem that the major browser vendors
(is Mozilla really still "major"?) have tighter control of the
WHATWG standards than they actually do.  Anyone can contribute
to the discussions (kinda like W3C);  the standards editors who
make the decisions about what's in or out are supposed to take
all the input into
account, and AFAIK they have a pretty good reputation for doing
so. Them main power the browser vendors have is that if they
think things are going off the rails, they can impeach and
replace an editor.  I don't think they've ever done so.

I could be off on some or all of that -- I haven't paid much
attention to the WHATWG since Hixie was the HTML5 editor.

The last time W3C lost to WHATWG, over whether the future of the
web was HTML or XHTML, the W3C kept its position as "the"
standards organization by adopting WHATWG's HTML standard.  At
that point, there was some talk within the WHATWG about
dissolving itself as no longer necessary.  Now it looks like the
W3C may be the one to dissolve over the next few years.
Also, I always preferred W3C documentation over WHATWG's.
Only prefer?  ;)  I always found WHATWG's documentation 100%
useless.
Pardon my ignorance but wasn't Mozilla Developer Network supposed
to be the home for documentation?

<https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web>

I can't recall when or where I read about that decision. Might
look later.
I recall them announcing that as couple of years back:
https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/10/18/mozilla-brings-microsoft-google-w3c-samsung-together-create-cross-browser-documentation-mdn/

but haven't read much about it since then. Is it just me or is
there one major player, and a big one, that isn't included in that announcement?
Apple? WHATWG? It does say "other industry leaders".
Apple was the one I meant. To mention Google, Microsoft and Samsung
and NOT Apple suggests a lot, no?

I went poking around Apple's web site for web developer documentation
but I only found docs aimed at iOS-app developers.  I dunno, but maybe
Apple just doesn't give a rats' about helping web developers?
Or maybe they're really pi$$'d at Google for forking the WebCore from webKit and is saying, the hell with 'em'? :-)

Does Safari come with the kind of dev tools Firefox and Chrome do?

Since Safari based off of the open source webkit engine, web standards would seem to flow from that. As far as MacOS development docs, wouldn't their Xcode IDE doc cover their software development documentation?

[note to self: never type "developers" more than once in the same post,
as it conjures up images of Ballmer]

The cojured images, “Oh, the humanity!”

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