Re: OT: Telemetry Data Collection
- Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2017 09:28:57 -0400
- From: Wolf K <wolfmac@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: OT: Telemetry Data Collection
On 2017-08-26 00:44, Sailfish wrote:
My bloviated meandering follows what WaltS48 graced us with on 8/23/2017
On 8/23/17 7:03 PM, Wolf K wrote:
Question: How many users activate the telemetry for gathering usage
Answer: Damn few.
You have stats to back up that claim?
Mozilla may require users to opt-out of sending telemetry from its
Firefox browser because */so few/* have opted in that it's hard for
developers to get a good sample of what causes problems.
"So few have opted in". Exactly as I inferred from general principles.
Opt-in means self-selection, which means bias. The devs' past reliance
on biased telemetry data has led to some really silly design changes,
most of which have triggered comment here.
BTW, "negative option" is illegal in Canada and the EU, so Moz will get
a mostly US data, ie, just another biased sample. Also, in both
jurisdictions, the purpose for which the data will be used must be
clearly explained, and the data must be deleted when that purpose is
Most controversial is the idea that the data collection let Mozilla
compile a browser-side “top 100” of sites users visit. As developer
David Teller explains, there is a “considerable bias” between users who
okay telemetry collection and those who don't, which makes it hard for
developers to optimise the browser for “websites that matter to our users”.
The above stated reason is a bit dubious as the need to change it to
opt-out. Perhaps what it *will do* is give Mozilla a "top 100" of sites
that its users visit which seems a lot more ominous.
I think the problem is that a lot of websites are sloppily written,
and/or violate the standards. FF is known for being unforgiving with
errors. The above quote is an acknowledgment that FF has to be as
easy-going as IE and Chrome if it's to retain market share.
Just my 1.6 cents (US) worth.
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