Re: [Mingw-msys] Maintnance script
- Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:35:50 +0000 (GMT)
- From: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@xxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [Mingw-msys] Vista users: please test the new MSYS snapshot
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Keith Marshall wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 01:03 +0000, Johannes Schindelin wrote:
> > On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, Keith Marshall wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 05 December 2007 02:04, Cesar Strauss wrote:
> > > > I can't see anything obviously wrong with your setup, other than
> > > > rxvt doesn't work...
> > >
> > > RXVT has been a `Right Royal Pain in the Posterior', for as long as
> > > I can remember.
> > IMHO it would be better to fix Rxvt
> It is easy to express such an opinion, but are you volunteering to put
> in the necessary effort to achieve that? If `yes', then I look forward
> to testing the fruits of your labour; if `no', then why do expect others
> to expend such effort, when those who have tried in the past have come
> to the conclusion that such an ideal may be unachievable?
In fact, once I breathe some air after having succeeded in compiling
Subversion+Perl-Module in msysGit, that is my next target.
Don't hold your breath for it.
> > than to point to half-assed "solutions".
> No one has done any such thing.
To propose Console2, admitting that it does not run on older Windows
(which are way preferable to me, since I have lots of licenses for them
that work, thanks to Microsoft's insistence on selling Windows with every
computer, and they run way faster in virtualisers/emulators) is what
qualifies as "half-assed" with this coder.
> There are two officially supported methods of running the MSYS shell:--
> 1) In a native Woe32 console. This is the only one of the two which is
> truly robust; it has always been available, and is the default choice
> for Cygwin, but not for MSYS. In a recent poll, on this list, those
> who bothered to respond were unanimous that it should also become the
> default for MSYS.
I wasn't there; I would have opposed.
Even if we have to use cmd/command.exe with msysGit, since for example ssh
password input or paging with "less" does not work properly in rxvt, the
shortcomings of cmd/command are so annoying that I curse out loud in the
general direction of Redmond almost every time I have to use it.
Think resizing the window (not that hard, everybody else seems to do it
just fine). Think copy/pasting (you have to enable it manually! you have
to _right_ click to finish the selection! You can forget about multi-line
selections if the first line of what you want to select does not start in
the first column). Think scrolling back with a keyboard shortcut.
> 2) In an RXVT. Currently the default, but has always been beset by
> problems. Earnie, who originally chose to make it the default, and
> who did not vote in the poll, devoted a lot of effort in trying to
> fix it, before eventually conceding defeat.
Yes, fighting with the Win32 API is more difficult than any
adventure/first-person-shooter game I ever saw. But never attribute to
malice that which can be explained by incompetence. After all, the same
bunch still have the most virus- and bug-ridden OS out there, even after
years of money heading their way.
BTW another solution to that console problem I will explore is using
Xming. A guy on #git told me that startup is almost instantaneous. And
it has all the advantages of X11, since it _is_ X11.
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