Re: Konqueror 5.0.97 issues
- Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 07:25:30 +0000 (UTC)
- From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@xxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: Konqueror 5.0.97 issues
Jerome Yuzyk posted on Sun, 17 Jun 2018 11:34:00 -0600 as excerpted:
> [Konqueror 5.0.97 on Fedora 28 updated just this morning]
> Because of a disk crash I had to replace my /dev/sda which previously
> had Fedora 25 on it. Fortunately I keep /home on /dev/sdb so I installed
> Fedora 28 on a new /dev/sda and all appears to go well.
FWIW sysadmin's first rule of backups: How much you value your data
isn't defined by arbitrary claims, but by how many backups you consider
it worth having of that data. No backups simply means you're defining
the data to be of such low value it's not worth the time/trouble/
resources necessary to do that backup.
So no problem. Simply switch to the backup of your fedora 25 install and
you should be back in business.
Of course if you didn't have one, that just means you didn't define the
value as high enough to have that backup, and you still saved what was
most important to you, the time/trouble/resources that would have
otherwise gone into making the backup, had the data been worth more to
you. In that case you gotta live without, reinstalling what's currently
available, apparently fedora 28 at this point.
> Except for Konqueror in 3 annoying ways:
FWIW I left konqueror behind back in the kde4 era, when it became very
evident that it wasn't getting timely security-fix releases suitable to
usage for online banking, etc. The kde devs were treating it more like a
toy than a browser where security actually mattered, and that simply
wasn't suitable for my primary browser usage. And once it was no longer
my primary browser it was just easier not to bother with it at all, so it
was soon uninstalled.
Never-the-less, I can answer certain aspects of your questions, anyway,
and hopefully be of at least some help with that. =:^)
> 1. I can't open more than one instance from the K Menu or the Quick
> Launcher anymore.
> Using either of those just opens the one already-open Konqueror, even
> across Desktops. Links opened from KMail do open in a new window, but if
> Konqueror window crashes, it takes the all down.
> Totally the opposite of what Konqueror has done forever. That instance-
> independence is one of Konqueror's greatest features and why I still
> prefer it for all my commodity browsing.
> Using System Activity (Ctrl-Esc) and searching for Konqueror shows me
> the single konqueror process and one more more (they seem to be reaped
> down to 0 eventually) "http.so" processes, something I've never seen
Assuming you're running a full plasma desktop, those http.so processes
are very likely to be plasmashell updating whatever online resources you
have configured in various plasmoids, picture-of-the-day (potd)
wallpapers, etc. That's what they are here, as I said, without konqueror
even installed, so they're unrelated to it.
Note that due to the way tcp works, even after the update completes these
processes will normally stick around for a little bit (typically
minutes), allowing the tcp socket that was used to close properly. If
you run netstat -4 -6 (or the newer appropriate command, ss I believe,
but I'm familiar with and use the older netstat) in a konsole/terminal
window, it should list the still open sockets and their state, and with
the -p option, you'll get the program that's using them as well (tho
you'll need to run netstat as root to get full program info). Netstat
will also show the host connected to, which will likely give you a hint
which plasma resource was being updated by that connection.
Alternatively you can use something like htop to list the open files of
the http.so process and see the open sockets among them, there, tho it'll
be harder to find them among all the other open files that way.
Regardless, once the tcp socket that was used for the resource update
completes its normal shutdown process, the http.so process that invoked
it should go away as well, that being why those processes go away
Meanwhile, FWIW, for a still kde-based konqueror-web replacement, you
might wish to try falkon, formerly qupzilla. It's QtWebEngine based,
with qtwebengine in turn being qt's modern webkit-based web-content
module, which is kept much more current (and security-updated... at least
if your distro keeps reasonably current qt, some distros don't) than the
now deprecated qtwebkit.
I personally prefer a fuller-featured, multi-threaded and webkit-
extension compatible browser like the mainline chromium (chrome's
freedomware version, which I run now) or the newer "quantum" firefox
(which I used from when I switched from konqueror until recently, but why
I switched from it can be another post if you're interested), but it
appears you're interested in something a bit lighter and kde-based, and
falkon does fit that quite well, but as I said IMO should get better
security support than konqueror due to its qtwebengine base, which gets
> 2. Even though I have "Open links in new tab instead of new window" set,
> and "Open new tabs in the background" un-set, middle-clicking on any
> link opens a new tab in the background.
> This actually looks like a bug. Setting "Open new tabs in the
> background" actually makes them open in the foreground as before.
> Dolphin seems similarly afflicted.
> 3. I used to use kfmclient openProfile FileManagement to use Konqueror
> for file management since I always found Dolphin wanting and having to
> use it now finds it still wanting. Apparently that's not available
> Is there any way to get my old 2-panel (tree on the left, list on the
> right) Konqueror file manager back?
If you've never tried krusader, you might give it a try. It's a kde-
based twin-panel "commander style" file-manager, not quite like konqueror
since traditional commander style has a file window on each side and you
do operations between them, but you may well either find that works for
you as well/better, or that you can configure it as you like.
The advantage of something like krusader is that because it's not a
default part of kde-plasma (that being the desktop environment and its
regular components, now, in kde/frameworks/plasma/apps5, not just
plasmashell, as was the case in kde4), it's pretty much just the people
that like it that use it or care about it, meaning it's out of the
mainline development focus and doesn't have the constant pull on it to
"do it 'properly'", whatever changing definition of "properly" might be
in vogue at the moment, that the mainline stuff like dolphin and (less
so) konqueror have on them.
Meaning unlike the more mainline/default stuff, krusader should continue
to "just work" pretty much as it always has.
The one worry about such a thing would be that it gets far enough from
mainline that it loses enough of a following to keep it viable, and it's
dropped, much like superkaramba, for instance. Fortunately, from what
I've seen, krusader has a reasonably loyal following and enough devs to
keep it viable, as it continues to be so from kde3 era, thru kde4 and now
kde-frameworks/apps-5. I've no reason to believe that's likely to
change, tho if you're worried about it, you might wish to check it out
more thoroughly, perhaps checking for a developer list and asking there,
Tho FWIW I've never used krusader myself, but that's because I spend
enough of my time in the CLI to prefer mc (midnight commander), a
terminal-based "semi-gui" commander-style file manager, since I can use
it pretty much the same at a text login or in a konsole/terminal window.
I do actually like the two-panel "commander" file-manager concept, and
would probably prefer krusader if I were more comfortable with a full GUI
than at the CLI and with the mc "semi-gui".
(Basically, here I use mc when I'm doing admin-hat file-management tasks
or just editing/managing text files (admin or user) or for sound-media
files (user), and gwenview when I'm doing image/video-media user file
management tasks, and there's not much else I deal with, so dolphin's
"good enough" for the trivial gui-needing stuff that remains.)
> And a follow-on: Where do Konqueror settings live these days? I've
> accumulated a few konquerorc files over the years/Fedoras. For that
> matter, how can a fella tell where KDE settings are these days? Are
> there reference docs of some sort? I could do a bunch of date
> comparisons, but a reference would be handier.
As a rule of thumb, anything kde5/plasma5/frameworks5 related, including
modern konqueror, should use the XDG-standardized locations for both
settings and data, honoring the XDG_* set of environmental variables if
you wish to place them elsewhere than the default. For user settings,
that's under ~/.config/ by default, with corresponding system settings
(that the user settings normally override) in /etc/xdg. There's also the
application data locations, ~/.local/share and /usr/share by default. As
mentioned, however, the XDG_* vars, in this case XDG_CONFIG_HOME, if set,
will change that default (from ~/.config).
There are indeed reference docs. What you're looking for is the
administration guide. Unfortunately, I just looked at kde.org and while
I quickly found links to the user-focused documentation and the developer-
focused documentation, the power-user/admin-focused stuff wasn't so
easily found as a direct link, at least that I could see! =:^( But I
know it's there as I've used it before!
So trying it from a different angle... googling kde environmental vars...
looks like it's on userbase now...
In particular, look under filesystem, xdg hierarchy. There's also the kde
hierarchy page, but that's mostly kde4 stuff and thus now outdated.
Meanwhile, if you want more on the xdg stuff, there's a link from there
to the xdg specifications pages on freedesktop.org, too.
Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs.
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