Re: [kde-linux] ME/CFS
- Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 04:13:57 +0000 (UTC)
- From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@xxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [kde-linux] ME/CFS
James Tyrer posted on Mon, 07 Sep 2015 13:47:42 -0700 as excerpted:
> I am taking medication for both ME/CFS and the stroke and have been
> doing some better. However, I do still have this tendency to channel
> Steve Jobs which I presume that some of the KDE developers would have
> serious problems with.
Channeling Steve Jobs, indeed, for better or worse, it does seem that way
> So, since I am feeling better, I might risk posting bug reports again
> and hope that developers don't say something to the effect that I am not
> allowed to post bug reports, reopen MY bugs, or post patches to fix
However others may react, a welcome back from me. =:^)
What kde/plasma/apps are you testing now, still kde4, or on to
frameworks5/plasma5/mixed4&5-apps? Wish to compare notes?
FWIW, I'm trying kde-frameworks-5/plasma5 again today, after trying it a
handful of times some months ago and having kwin5 throw a respawn cycle.
But back then, gentoo didn't have even qt5 let alone frameworks/plasma/
apps in the main tree, only in the qt and kde development overlays, while
now it's in the main tree and marked for general testing, with some parts
fully stabilized, so we'll see.
The big problem for me was that since parts of the respawn-cycling plasma5
blocked parts of the otherwise working kde4, it was extremely difficult
to test, requiring basically a whole otherwise free day dedicated to
doing so, and I hadn't had any of those I wanted to spend that way, in
awhile. But today I finally had/took some time and nailed down exactly
how many and which of the base plasma5-desktop deps I could build and
install WITHOUT hitting the blockers, and it turned out that (with my
already fairly minimal kde4-plasma-and-base-system install) I got it all
the way down to four plasma5 packages remaining blocked on eleven kde4
packages, of which I had to manually uninstall five, with the other six
deps of those.
So now that I'm down to only 4 plasma5 packages blocked on 5+6=11 kde4
packages, I've gone ahead and done the uninstall of the 5+6, and built
and installed the remaining 4 plasma5 apps. I actually switched to the
lists to see what was going on while they installed, and found your post,
but I checked and the last four plasma5 packages are successfully
Before I started all this today, I did a backup of my system and home
partitions, so I don't have to worry about those getting screwed up in
So all that's left is to figure out what bits of my own customized CLI-
login kde4-starter script need adjusted, what to start to try plasma5
again (for all I know some then missing bit was what was triggering the
kwin5 respawning back then), and the actual kde4 shutdown (it has been
well over a decade since I left MS, but it still amazes me that I can
uninstall those blocker packages and still be running on top of them
until I actually shut kde4 down), shuffle the old kde4 user-level
settings out of the way, and try plasma5 once again. Hopefully whatever
was triggering that respawn loop is now fixed and I can actually get up
and going on the still-minimal plasma5 installation.
If so, I've still a lot more building out to do on the kf5-based apps
If not, at least this time it's only a quick uninstall of the minimal-
blocking-set four plasma5 packages and a reinstall (from binpkg, no
rebuild) of the eleven kde4 packages, with everything else non-
conflicting and staying installed, where it will continue to update as
new versions come out. And switching out that minimal-blocking-set
should be easy enough, so testing cycles should be far faster now, and
hopefully any remaining blocker bugs like that kwin5 respawn thing will
be easily resolved.
I'll post back when I see whether I can actually run plasma5, now, and
then, presuming you're either switched or attempting to switch as well,
we can compare notes on the kde-frameworks/plasma5 side.
Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs.
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