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Re: What to use on GTK+3




Hi,

On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Thiago Bellini Ribeiro
<hackedbellini@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 10:09 AM Igor Korot <ikorot01@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Thiago Bellini Ribeiro
>> <hackedbellini@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 1:46 AM Daniel Kasak <d.j.kasak.dk@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> No no no. Everybody is wrong. What we need is:
>> >>
>> >> [ Actually, now that I come to think about it, this is not the action
>> >> I would like to take at this time. Thankyou all the same]
>> >> [ This is precisely the action that I require, and I thank you for the
>> >> explicit dialog and verbose text in the buttons; it really makes sure
>> >> I know what it about to happen, and possibly makes the rest of the
>> >> text of the dialog redundant, but hey, at least there is zero scope
>> >> for confusion]
>> >
>> >
>> > The whole point here is to _be redundant_. Why? For some reasons, but a
>> > major one is: Users don't read dialogs!
>>
>> Why people think this? Was there a statistical analysis about it?
>> How many people do read them comparing to how many people don't?
>>
>> Where can I see it? And who did it?
>
>
> There might be some better studies out there, but you can take for example
> the 10 usability heuristics from Jakob Nielsen.
>
> The "Recognition rather than recall" [1] fits perfectly in this. By using a
> clear action instead of simple boolean answers, "Yes" and "No", you reduce
> the user's memory load. It makes it easier for the user and reduces the risk
> of misinterpretation of the question.
>
> Take for example a dialog: "Are you sure you want to overwrite this file?".
> By having a "Yes" and "No" answers, it is not clear without reading the
> dialog what they mean. You can change that to "Overwrite it" and "Don't
> overwrite" and the buttons themselves have meaning, even if you don't read
> the dialog.
>
> These links [2][3] are another example of that.
>
> [1] http://www.nngroup.com/articles/recognition-and-recall/
> [2]
> http://usabilitypost.com/2008/08/30/usability-tip-use-verbs-as-labels-on-buttons/
> [3] http://arstechnica.com/security/2008/09/study-confirms-users-are-idiots/

I just took a look at those links.
Now nowhere in [1] and [2] I found an actual stats of how many people
did/did not read the
dialog messages prior to clicking the response button. There was
absolutely _no statistics_.
While [3] does show some stats, it is not actually usable as students
are usually eager to finish
the task _on time_. They need a good grades and of course they will do
anything to get rid
of something that stays in the way.

Was there a same research does for an actual adults? Not students, but
actual people?
I would love to see it? Especially the one that done in a company of,
say, 1,000+ employees.

Thank you.

>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> >
>> > By having verbose options instead of boolean answers, it is less likely
>> > that
>> > the user will choose the first option just because he thinks it is the
>> > one
>> > he needs.
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dan
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Paul Davis
>> >> <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Allin Cottrell <cottrell@xxxxxxx>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> However, in relation to Igor's original point, giving the user
>> >> >> options
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> Yes/No is IMO fine if your dialog asks a short, simple question that
>> >> >> requires an answer of Yes or No. As in
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Overwrite <filename>? Yes/No
>> >> >> Send message? Yes/No
>> >> >> Really delete X? Yes/No
>> >> >>
>> >> >> One could rephrase these messages as something other than Yes/No
>> >> >> questions
>> >> >> but would that actually be clearer? I doubt it.
>> >> >
>> >> > I think you're wrong. Each one of these can be converted into a
>> >> > dialog
>> >> > of the following general form:
>> >> >
>> >> >       Need confirmation to carry out potentially significant action
>> >> >
>> >> >         [ Do not take this action ]    [ Take this action ]
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > A specific case may help
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >       Overwriting this file may cause data loss
>> >> >
>> >> >        [ Do not overwrite the file ]   [ Overwrite the file ]
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > or
>> >> >
>> >> >       Once your message is sent, you cannot delete it.
>> >> >
>> >> >        [ Do not send this message]  [ Send this message]
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Both these examples are clearer, because they explain what is at
>> >> > stake.
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>> > Thiago Bellini Ribeiro
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>> >
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