Re: Misconduct of GTK+/glib Bugtracker Admins
- Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 01:02:27 +0200
- From: Wouter Verhelst <w@xxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: Misconduct of GTK+/glib Bugtracker Admins
There is no conspiracy. Red Hat is not an evil empire.
If you have a problem, spit it out already. Otherwise, ranting about how
Red Hat is taking over the world!!1! is not doing anyone a favour.
You've made your point. It would appear that people are not really in
agreement with you.
I'm not a Red Hat or GNOME user myself, and I do agree (to some extent)
that stronger ties between GNOME and GTK is not a good thing. But
ranting about it on mailinglists is not going to fix that. If you really
think that GTK is going in the wrong direction, the best way forward is
to fork it and make it do what you think it *should* be doing. That's
what the MATE people did when they believed GNOME was going in the wrong
direction, and it seems they're pretty successful at that.
If you're not prepared to go there, can you cut the **** already?
On Sun, Jun 07, 2015 at 04:10:29PM -0600, IgnorantGuru wrote:
> It's not that I don't believe your experiences, but your rather negative
> interpretation of my motives and methods. I'm not suggesting such developers
> can't be manipulated to do minor things by kissing ass - raging egos often
> can be manipulated that way. How they respond when someone sticks to facts
> and relevant viewpoints is what matters - that's professionalism vs
> favoritism and bias.
> I don't claim to be the most patient person, and we knew each other already,
> but my discussing Red Hat's history on that bug was not anger nor was it
> ranting. I have a half million visitors to my blog that I have discussed all
> of this with plenty. Ranting in a bug report doesn't make much of a dent.
> Instead, I was informing others dealing with them that there was a history to
> the bug and their preferred solutions, and that some of what was being said
> was inaccurate. I was providing important and very relevant context on it
> being an inter-DE issue, and I was disclosing their conflict of interest.
> Even if this involves a company name or a developer's name (and I only
> mentioned them generally), it is relevant to how the bug is being addressed,
> and by whom. The FACTS I presented just happened to be unflattering to their
> particular ears, so they thought it was fine to just delete and threaten
> people to remove the information. Nor is this an isolated case, but merely
> one of a long series of examples.
> They conduct themselves as tyrants, simply put, and this project's
> contributors seem to be whipped into accepting such treatment. I'm surprised
> to see a considerate person like yourself defending their behavior. I have
> no hatred of them - the internet is full of arrogant fools. Yet putting them
> in charge of your project and doing as they say is another matter.
> You also give them a benefit of the doubt I do not. To me, their reason for
> instantly responding to and commanding all such bug reports is to control
> their direction for Red Hat and ilk. To this end, they largely obstruct,
> rather than resolve. Remember, these are not just good-hearted fellows
> donating their time. They're paid by a very large corporation and do what
> they're told to do, and don't do what they're not told to do. And that very
> large corporation has different views on direction than most users of GTK+.
> So you needn't defend them - they have plenty of PR people and money to take
> care of that.
> You might start defending the interests of yourself and libre software
> development instead, as I'm sure they're not the same as Red Hat's interests.
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