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Re: git svn clone/fetch hits issues with gc --auto

On Wed, Oct 10 2018, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 10 2018, Martin Langhoff wrote:
>> Looking around, Jonathan Tan's "[PATCH] gc: do not warn about too many
>> loose objects" makes sense to me.
>> - remove unactionable warning
>> - as the warning is gone, no gc.log is produced
>> - subsequent gc runs don't exit due to gc.log
>> My very humble +1 on that.
>> As for downsides... if we have truly tons of _recent_ loose objects,
>> it'll ... take disk space? I'm fine with that.
> As Jeff's
> https://public-inbox.org/git/20180716175103.GB18636@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/
> and my https://public-inbox.org/git/878t69dgvx.fsf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/
> note it's a bit more complex than that.
> I.e.:
>  - The warning is actionable, you can decide to up your expiration
>    policy.
>  - We use this warning as a proxy for "let's not run for a day",
>    otherwise we'll just grind on gc --auto trying to consolidate
>    possibly many hundreds of K of loose objects only to find none of
>    them can be pruned because the run into the expiry policy. With the
>    warning we retry that once per day, which sucks less.
>  - This conflation of the user-visible warning and the policy is an
>    emergent effect of how the different gc pieces interact, which as I
>    note in the linked thread(s) sucks.
>    But we can't just yank one piece away (as Jonathan's patch does)
>    without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
>    It will mean that e.g. if you have 10k loose objects in your git.git,
>    and created them just now, that every time you run anything that runs
>    "gc --auto" we'll fork to the background, peg a core at 100% CPU for
>    2-3 minutes or whatever it is, only do get nowhere and do the same
>    thing again in ~3 minutes when you run your next command.
>  - I think you may be underestimating some of the cases where this ends
>    up taking a huge amount of disk space (and now we'll issue at least
>    *some*) warning. See my
>    https://public-inbox.org/git/87fu6bmr0j.fsf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/
>    where a repo's .git went from 2.5G to 30G due to being stuck in this
>    mode.
>> For more aggressive gc options, thoughts:
>>  - Do we always consider git gc --prune=now "safe" in a "won't delete
>> stuff the user is likely to want" sense? For example -- are the
>> references from reflogs enough safety?
> The --prune=now command is not generally safe for the reasons noted in
> the "NOTES" section in "git help gc".
>>  - Even if we don't, for some commands it should be safe to run git gc
>> --prune=now at the end of the process, for example an import that
>> generates a new git repo (git svn clone).
> Yeah I don't see a problem with that, I didn't know about this
> interesting use-case, i.e. that "git svn clone" will create a lot of
> loose objects.
> As seen in my
> https://public-inbox.org/git/87tvm3go42.fsf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/ I'm
> working on making "gc --auto" run at the end of clone for unrelated
> reasons, i.e. so we generate the commit-graph, seems like "git svn
> clone" could do something similar.
> So it's creating a lot of garbage during its cloning process that can
> just be immediately thrown away? What is it doing? Using the object
> store as a scratch pad for its own temporary state?

To answer my own question (which was based on a thinko) it's continually
creating loose objects during import, i.e. packs are not involved (don't
know why I thought that), so yeah, because all of those have <2wks
expiry we end up warning as gc --auto is run.

But I actually think the git-svn import is revealing an entirely
different problem.

I.e. when I clone I seem to be getting a refs/remotes/git-svn branch
that's kept up-to-date, and when I "gc" everything's consolidated into a
pack, we don't have any loose objects that are meant for expiry.

But the reason git-svn is whining is because we're doing this in gc
(simplified for the sake af discussion):

    if (too_many_loose()) {
        if (too_many_loose())
            die("oh noes too many loose that don't match our expiry policy!");

But they don't fall under our expiry policy at all, we're just assuming
that a crapload of loose objects haven't been added in the interim from
when we ran expire() + repack() until when we check too_many_loose()

That's a logic error which we could just solve at some expense by seeing
*which* objects are loose and candidates for expiry at the beginning,
and not warning if at the end we have *different* loose objects that
should be consolidated, that just means we genuinely should run gc

Or is this just wrong? I don't really know. If the above is true I'm
missing how tweaking gc.pruneExpire=5.minutes.ago is helping. Surely
we'd either just end up with the same set of loose objects (since the
clone is still running), or alternatively if git-svn hadn't gotten
around to updating refs create a corrupt repo.

>> m
>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 10:49 PM Junio C Hamano <gitster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Forwarding to Jonathan, as I think this is an interesting supporting
>>> vote for the topic that we were stuck on.
>>> Eric Wong <e@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
>>> > Martin Langhoff <martin.langhoff@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >> Hi folks,
>>> >>
>>> >> Long time no see! Importing a 3GB (~25K revs, tons of files) SVN repo
>>> >> I hit the gc error:
>>> >>
>>> >> warning: There are too many unreachable loose objects; run 'git prune'
>>> >> to remove them.
>>> >> gc --auto: command returned error: 255
>>> >
>>> > GC can be annoying when that happens... For git-svn, perhaps
>>> > this can be appropriate to at least allow the import to continue:
>>> >
>>> > diff --git a/perl/Git/SVN.pm b/perl/Git/SVN.pm
>>> > index 76b2965905..9b0caa3d47 100644
>>> > --- a/perl/Git/SVN.pm
>>> > +++ b/perl/Git/SVN.pm
>>> > @@ -999,7 +999,7 @@ sub restore_commit_header_env {
>>> >  }
>>> >
>>> >  sub gc {
>>> > -     command_noisy('gc', '--auto');
>>> > +     eval { command_noisy('gc', '--auto') };
>>> >  };
>>> >
>>> >  sub do_git_commit {
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > But yeah, somebody else who works on git regularly could
>>> > probably stop repack from writing thousands of loose
>>> > objects (and instead write a self-contained pack with
>>> > those objects, instead).  I haven't followed git closely
>>> > lately, myself.