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Re: Insidious systemd




On 2019-05-29, Vincent Lefevre <vincent@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 2019-05-28 22:16:27 +0100, Liam O'Toole wrote:
>> On 2019-05-27, Patrick Bartek <patrick.bartek@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > Hi, all!
>> >
>> > Needing to convert this box from wired ethernet to wireless, I searched
>> > for a suitable network manager and wicd looked good:  No desktop
>> > environment dependencies (I use a window manager Openbox and single
>> > lxpanel), compatibility with Openbox, etc.  Imagine my surprise when
>> > during the simulated install (I always check), I discovered systemd
>> > init was set to replace sysvinit.  I had converted Stretch to the
>> > latter during its install last year, but left the systemd libraries.
>> >
>> > There was no mention of this wicd caveat or any systemd dependency
>> > anywhere.  Obviously, there were.  What other things does systemd do
>> > that users are unaware and contrary to their wishes?  I wonder . . .
>> >
>> > After more investigating, I came across wifi-radar whose simulated
>> > install doesn't muck my system.  Any suggestions for something
>> > better?   I could just go with iwconfig or iw?  No big deal.  I've done
>> > it before.  But being lazy, if I can find an app to do the work, so
>> > much the better.
>> >
>> > Thanks for any input.
>> >
>> > B
>> 
>> Are you trolling? You need to talk to the maintainers of wicd and ask
>> them why there is a systemd dependency.
>
> He shouldn't. I've a machine that is still under sysvinit, and
> I can install wicd without any dependency issue.
>

Then the dependency is not a hard one, and OP is free to not install
systemd if he wishes. There's nothing "insidious" about it.

-- 

Liam