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Re: Insidious systemd




On Wed, 29 May 2019 17:43:49 +0200
Vincent Lefevre <vincent@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On 2019-05-28 22:16:27 +0100, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> > On 2019-05-27, Patrick Bartek <patrick.bartek@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:  
> > > Hi, all!
> > >
> > > Needing to convert this box from wired ethernet to wireless, I searched
> > > for a suitable network manager and wicd looked good:  No desktop
> > > environment dependencies (I use a window manager Openbox and single
> > > lxpanel), compatibility with Openbox, etc.  Imagine my surprise when
> > > during the simulated install (I always check), I discovered systemd
> > > init was set to replace sysvinit.  I had converted Stretch to the
> > > latter during its install last year, but left the systemd libraries.
> > >
> > > There was no mention of this wicd caveat or any systemd dependency
> > > anywhere.  Obviously, there were.  What other things does systemd do
> > > that users are unaware and contrary to their wishes?  I wonder . . .
> > >
> > > After more investigating, I came across wifi-radar whose simulated
> > > install doesn't muck my system.  Any suggestions for something
> > > better?   I could just go with iwconfig or iw?  No big deal.  I've done
> > > it before.  But being lazy, if I can find an app to do the work, so
> > > much the better.
> > >
> > > Thanks for any input.
> > >
> > > B  
> > 
> > Are you trolling? You need to talk to the maintainers of wicd and ask
> > them why there is a systemd dependency.  
> 
> He shouldn't. I've a machine that is still under sysvinit, and
> I can install wicd without any dependency issue.
> 

What version OS you running? Fully up-to-date? GNOME? Or something else?

My install of Stretch was very atypical.  Started with a basic terminal
system using a netinstall CD, then added X, Openbox, apps, etc.  No
desktop environment was ever installed.  No login manager either.  Boots
to a terminal, log-in, then run startx.  It's a basic GUI set up.

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