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Re: lightweight wifi UI (Was: Insidious systemd)




On Tue, 28 May 2019 20:39:53 +0300
Reco <recoverym4n@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 09:49:45AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> > On Tue, 28 May 2019 18:56:44 +0300
> > Reco <recoverym4n@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >   
> > > 	Hi.
> > > 
> > > On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 07:10:22AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:  
> > > > On Mon, 27 May 2019 21:00:36 -0400 (EDT)
> > > > bw <bwtnguy@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >     
> > > > > In-Reply-To: <20190527163821.6e4b5d95@debian9>
> > > > > 
> > > > > ...    
> > > > > >Based on my past experiences and research with systemd, I now
> > > > > >always have do simulated installs with everything just to be sure
> > > > > >nothing untoward happens.  The Subject Title was appropriate.      
> > > > > 
> > > > > Patrick, I've seen some baloney in my day, but that prose takes the cake.
> > > > > I think you're full of crap, but you could prove me wrong sort of 
> > > > > something like this:
> > > > > 
> > > > > $ apt -s install sysvinit-core wicd
> > > > > [snip]    
> > > > 
> > > > Unapplicable in my case: sysvinit conversion done a year ago.
> > > > 
> > > > For the Doubting Thomas that your are, the output of my simulated
> > > > install -- the salient portions I spoke of highlighted.
> > > > 
> > > > B
> > > > 
> > > > root@debian9:/home/patrick# apt -s install wicd    
> > > 
> > > Try this:
> > > 
> > > # apt install wicd -s -o APT::Install-Recommends="0"  
> > 
> > apt/apt-get already by default set NOT to install Recommends, only
> > dependencies.  And I check before installing anything just to be sure.  
> 
> Yet your apt tries to install gksu, and mine does not.

I'll check.  It could be a dependency of a wicd dependency.  Although,
it's academic: I won't be using wicd.

> 
> > I've abandoned wicd and am considering other utilities, wifi-radar
> > being toward the top of the list.  I may just go commandline since I
> > only have to configure this home-based box once for wifi.  
> 
> wpa_cli and an appropriate wpa_supplicant.conf is more than enough for
> my laptop needs. Personally I see any GUI to WiFi as redundant
> (aircrack-ng/kismet being an exception), but I suggest you to try
> dhcpcd-gtk (GTK2) or wpagui (QT).

Thanks. I'm getting a new laptop this year which I haven't needed in a
long time.  And I'll install a customized window manager only system on
it like I have on the desk box. So, I haven't kept up with all the wifi
utilities available.

> Both Notwork Manager and wicd try to do too many things, WiFi being one
> of them. Both try to hide the fact that all that you really need is
> something for L2 (wpa-supplicant or iwd) and for L3 (any dhcp client).

Good to know.

> Both dhcpcd-gtk and wpagui simply try to provide a frontend to
> wpa_supplicant.conf without trying to replace your whole network
> configuration.
>

Thanks.  I check it out.

B