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Re: Cannot re-install synaptic on Buster.


On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 09:56:04AM +0200, tomas@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 10:42:19AM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 09:14:30AM +0200, tomas@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> [...]
> > > Or just ditch Wayland (/me runs for cover ;-)
> This was admittedly a bit provocative -- no offense intended.

None taken. I saw the smiley ☺.

> > A short-term solution at best, although I'll avoid Wayland in buster.
> Why do you think it is a short term solution?

Because GNOME. GNOME's upstream said their word loud and clear, and that
word is - 'thou shall use Wayland for it is our favorite toy now'.

A modern GNOME project is known for feature removal. There was no single
GNOME release since the 3.0 version which lacked "we've removed A and
we've removed your ability to do B, because reasons" in the changelog.

Therefore one can expect the removal of the ability to run GNOME with
plain X (it's possible for now), and in GNOME speak it's will be a

Debian project, like the most distributions, ships GNOME as a
primary/default Desktop Envirionment. Therefore one can expect that this
GNOME's "feature"-to-be will be included in Debian sooner or later, and
once done the "feature" can affect other, seemingly unrelated packages.
A synaptic comes to mind here ☺.

Luckily for us, Debian stable users, we're promised a lack of behaviour
changes during the lifecycle of a stable release. And Debian keeps that
promise most of the time.

So, I'll keep using X in buster, as I stopped using GNOME long time ago
(etch was the testing, grass was greener etc).

> > Tried the thing, did not like all two 'window managers' from the main
> > archive that come with the Wayland.
> This is more or less my situation. After a detour through Gnome I
> finally came back to fvwm, and glad I did.

Ah, that's the thing. They give you mutter (it's a GNOME thing) and they
give you weston (a reference 'window manager').
Both lose in usability to my openbox setup.