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Re: Can't scan new disk




On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 21:27:39 -0800
David Christensen <dpchrist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On 2/19/19 7:21 PM, Celejar wrote:
> > On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 18:48:23 -0800
> > David Christensen <dpchrist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> AFAIK there are no commercial off the shelf (COTS) USB-SATA docks with
> >> FOSS hardware (device), firmware (device), or software (device or host).
> >>    (If somebody knows of any examples, please post the URL's.)
> > 
> > I'm still not sure what you're saying - there certainly are COTS
> > devices fully supported by FOSS software. E.g., I have a Syba
> > SY-ENC50091:
> > 
> > https://www.sybausa.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=885
> > 
> > It works fine under Debian without needing any non-free stuff, as far
> > as I recall.
> 
> The Syba USB-SATA dock works with Debian because the HDD manufacturer, 
> Syba, the USB cable manufacturer, the computer manufacturer, and Debian 
> have implemented everything needed for an end-to-end connection from the 
> HDD firmware kernel to the Debian Linux kernel.  Standards facilitated 
> that result.

Exactly. So what do you mean when you say that "there are no commercial
off the shelf (COTS) USB-SATA docks with FOSS hardware (device),
firmware (device), or software (device or host)"?

> > If you're objecting to the hardware not being FOSS, my understanding
> > is that most useful hardware isn't. Is the SATA hardware itself FOSS?
> 
> I agree that, historically, hardware has often been closed-source.  But, 
> similar to software, there are open-source hardware projects:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_hardware

Of course. But unlike with software, they are relatively few and minor,
and a normal user can't hope to go FOSS hardware as he can with software

Celejar