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Re: Why choose Debian on server




On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 12:15:09 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 06 January 2019 11:28:55 David Wright wrote:
> > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 10:37:48 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Sunday 06 January 2019 10:17:16 Brian wrote:
> > > > On Sun 06 Jan 2019 at 14:42:08 +0100, deloptes wrote:
> > > > > Curt wrote:
> > > > > > I suppose you could argue that the percentage of Firefox users
> > > > > > too lazy or bewildered to try another browser is good enough
> > > > > > for stackexchange, because, goddammit, you take what you can
> > > > > > get.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please be nice - I am not lazy - I have Chromium, but I do not
> > > > > want to use it. I like FF more and I can not accept the argument
> > > > > regarding 1 page printing in FF, because other sites do not have
> > > > > the problem, hence it is doable to overcome the issue from
> > > > > within the site (perhaps css definitions - I do not know what
> > > > > exactly the issue is and I do not care). If site developers may
> > > > > embed 100s of lines of code to check browser and version and can
> > > > > adapt their sites to IE,FF and Chromium the least, they could
> > > > > also take care of this "feature", so lazy is not me, but the one
> > > > > that does not care, test or provide proper support for printing
> > > > > from within FF. This is my opinion only, you may accept or
> > > > > not... and I agree with Gene - stackexchange is phony in their
> > > > > philosophy, but it is their right to be so and my right to
> > > > > qualify it as such. OF course you have the right to have a
> > > > > different opinion and I respect this.
> > > >
> > > > Strictly speaking, the problem does not arise due a problem in the
> > > > printing system. Firefox produces a PDF before dispatching it for
> > > > printing and that PDF is not a true representation of the web
> > > > page.
> > > >
> > > > Whether the issue is tackled by Firefox or at the stackexchange
> > > > end is immaterial; this will take time. Meanwhile, there is an
> > > > elderly user who had hoped to read and absorb the material today
> > > > while eating his free lunch.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe he would like to use SHIFT+F2 with Firefox (I have Quantum)
> > > > and take a screenshot of the whole page.
> > >
> > > Two questions then, Brian: Where in the FF menu's does one find this
> > > magic key combo documented?
> >
> > I was under the impression that taking screenshots was under the
> > control of the window manager, so the key combinations might be quite
> > different for other users.
> >
> > For example, my fvwm uses Shift-F2 for speaker-volume-down because the
> > Lenovo-W10 system chose to engrave {Speaker]- on the key.
> >
> > But if FF can take a screenshot itself, I would hope that you get
> > the whole page, not just the whole window (which is all the WM can
> > give you, of course) because configuring an application like scrot
> > can give you *much* more functionality.
> >
> So I installed scrot. But I don't see anything in its man page resembling 
> the --fullpage option. So I'll have to play I guess.

That's right: scrot works with windows (any window, including root,
the entire screen). But window, not page. That's why I wouldn't use it
for this case.

> > > >   screenshot filename.png --fullpage
> Humm:
> gene@coyote:~/linuxcnc/nc_files$ sudo apt-get install screenshot
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> E: Unable to locate package screenshot
> gene@coyote:~/linuxcnc/nc_files$
> 
> I do have ksnapshot though, and it works well for what I've needed to, 
> but I don't think it has the --fullpage option.

--fullpage has to rely on the application (browser) because it alone
knows what's off the screen. (In fact, FF's "screenshot" is a misnomer
as it's really a "pageshot".) Both types of snapshotting have their
strengths and weaknesses.

Under X, scrot works with any application, can produce a variety of
image formats, can take a screenshot with the mouse or a single
keystroke, which means you can easily take screenshots at, say, one
second intervals, and can (using a delay) capture things like open
menus. I don't know any other way of doing that particular trick.
But it can't capture the whole page.

And of course, neither gives you the text like ^A can.

Cheers,
David.