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Re: Update on my update problem with gnome system.

On Wed 30 May 2018 at 10:37:32 -0400, John Cunningham wrote:

> On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 5:37 PM Brian <ad44@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On Tue 29 May 2018 at 15:52:12 -0400, John Cunningham wrote:
> >
> > > Not necessarily. Sometimes the dependencies get out of hand, like when a
> > > big project adopts a small utility and then decides that the entire
> > project
> > > is a dependency for the tiny utility.  It doesn't happen often, but it
> > has
> > > happened to me. I like that apt-get upgrade updates everything else. If I
> > > decide I can stomach the other packages, I can always do a apt-get
> > > dist-upgrade and install them.
> >
> > Your unfortunate (and undetailed) experience has to be balanced against
> > the benefits which accrue to most users in having an up-to-date Debian.
> In my belief, it is right in the sweet spot in that regard.  It provides
> information and lets the user make the decision. It's much easier to do a
> dist-upgrade than to find and remove unwanted packages.

I'm at a loss to understand the argument here. 'apt update/upgrade'
also provides information that the user can act on. If a package on
your system acquires a new dependency X, 'apt-get upgrade' will not
upgrade it (is that really an upgrade? :) ) but apt upgrade will (if
it does require the removal of an existing package).

The question becomes: do you really want the system to be upgraded or
only half-upgraded?