Re: UEFI/"BIOS" booting, was Re: USB Install Fails, Complains about CD-ROM
- Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 09:33:30 -0500
- From: David Wright <deblis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: UEFI/"BIOS" booting, was Re: USB Install Fails, Complains about CD-ROM
On Mon 14 May 2018 at 09:14:23 (-0400), Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > That said, there are other statements that are odd:
> Not sure what you find odd about them:
> > "I really can’t recommend strongly enough that you do not attempt
> > to mix UEFI-native and BIOS-compatible booting of
> > permanently-installed operating systems on the same computer, and
> > especially not on the same disk. It is a terrible terrible idea
> > and will cause you heartache and pain. If you decide to do it,
> > don’t come crying to me." (under "UEFI booting: background").
> Here he's just saying that there's a good chance you'll encounter
> difficulties if you try that, and indeed in my experience the behavior
> of such a config will depend on undocumented details.
Yes, documentation of firmware is almost unknown in my experience
(since probably 30 years ago). That's why I took the least invasive
method that I could. Using a UEFI/UEFI approach means that you have
to explore the manufacturer's undocumented implementation of UEFI.
Plenty of horror stories there, including Pascal's.
> > "Disk formats (MBR vs. GPT)
> > Here’s another very important consideration:
> > If you want to do a ‘BIOS compatibility’ type installation, you
> > probably want to install to an MBR formatted disk. If you want to
> > do a UEFI native installation, you probably want to install to a
> > GPT formatted disk."
> Same here (basically for the same reason: the behavior of the firmware
> and OS when faced with a disk that has both a GPT and an MBR partitions
> is largely unspecified and will vary depending on your system).
Eh? I've yet to see a GPT disk that didn't have a protective MBR.
I thought that's the reason why GPT starts at block 1 and not
block 0: an MBR was designed into GPT from the start (no pun intended).
> > I can't reconcile that with the system here, a Windows 8→10 UEFI laptop
> > and GPT disk running linux in BIOS compatibility mode (here called
> > Legacy mode by Lenovo) booting from an MBR on an ATA disk:
> It's easy to reconcile: he doesn't say your setup is impossible or can't
> work, he just recommends not to do that because you may encounter
> unexpected difficulties. E.g. in theory an upgrade to your firmware or
> to one of your OSes could break it, tho in practice you're probably OK
> at least until you move that setup to another machine with
> a different firmware.
Not sure what you mean here. It's a laptop: nowt's going nowhere.
But in a page as long as this one is, I think the author is rather
dismissive of using Legacy mode at all. Perhaps the clue is here:
"Don’t do UEFI-native installs to MBR-formatted disks, or BIOS
compatibility installs to GPT-formatted disks (an exception to the
latter is if your disk is, IIRC, 2.2+TB in size, because the MBR
format can’t handle disks that big – if you want to do a BIOS
compatibility install to a disk that big, you’re kinda stuck with
the BIOS+GPT combination, which works but is a bit wonky and
involves the infamous ‘BIOS Boot partition’ you may recall from
I haven't been able to find anything infamous about the BIOS Boot
partition but it sounds as if the author had a bad experience at
sometime in the past which has affected their ability to view the