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Re: Yes you have standing to sue GRSecurity.

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On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 12:14:53PM +0200, deloptes wrote:
> nisus@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > I needed to highlight some things in the text so one's eyes don't bleed
> > out reading it.
> > 
> > Some variation here and there.
> > 
> > But the key is you have individual standing to sue. You don't have to
> > ask the free software conservancy or the linux foundation permission.
> > And you should not rest on your rights.
> Thank you for the professional and very meaningful explanation. I indeed
> thing it was necessary and helpful and disagree with what tomas stated.
> @tomas the shit smells already so it doesn't matter what you do, it won't
> get better and not everyone has the time to get a legal overview such that
> nisus provided.
> In fact your comment on his mail is in my opinion obsolete as you are
> stepping in position to judge ones post in the name of all readers.

Sigh. I don't know whether you are trolling or not, but I'll go with
Hanlon's razor and assume you are not.

The OP's position is well-known: in the Linux kernel, any contributor
has a standing to defend her/his rights, since the copyrights are with
the respective code "owner". This has repeatedly passed the "court test";
one example is Harald Welte's activity. So nothing new *in content* here.

What I take issue with, and strongly, is the form: the free software
community at large tends, and for a good reason, to take a careful
position: first give infringers a chance to come into compliance,
then, if nothing helps, perhaps take legal action. The main aim is to
bring people into compliance, and that phase takes a while (years).
Shouting around and stirring bad feelings doesn't help.

In the case of GRSecurity, it's important to keep in mind that they
have (despite the very problematic attitude) done important
contributions which actually landed in the kernel (thanks to the often
thankless work of the likes of Kees Cook). So there you have it.

Redchannel and MikeeUSA are troubleseekers -- they show up where
there's conflict and do whatever seems best to kindle the flames.
They are not helpful. And if they are the same, as Ansgar suggested,
the worse. They don't contribute anything to the greater good, and
have, I think, a different agenda.

This is my opinion, and I hope y'all read it as critically as
you should read anything.

- -- tomás
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