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Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...




On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 16:25:57 +0100 Michael Fothergill
<michael.fothergill@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On 7 April 2017 at 19:27, David Niklas <doark@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > On  Mon, 13 Mar 2017 12:30:11 -0700
> > Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > The Linux mantra has always been "choice," plethoras of choices.
> > > So why at install time, is there no choice for the init system?
> > > You get what the developers decide. Yes, you can install a new
> > > one -- I've done it and it works -- but only after the install.
> > > It'd be a lot easier, if there were a choice to begin with just
> > > like whether you want a GUI and which one.
> > >
> > > Now, I know with LFS, you get to choose everything, etc.  But is a
> > > choice of init at install time so outrageous that no one ever
> > > considered it or is it technically unfeasible or something else.
> > >
> > > Just curious.
> > >
> >
> > Because this reply is so late I'm CC'ing you off list.
> >
> > I sympathize, I run Gentoo Linux and us OpenRC. I plan on running
> > Devuan, a Debain derivative that supports lots of different init
> > systems. Why no one looks at their project and sees the people
> > involved when making a statistic up for the amount of dissatisfied
> > systemd users I don't know.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > David
> >
> >
> ​I have been reading through some of this stuff and I think that the
> debian users who are fans of the sysinit boot up scripts should
> switch to running Gentoo.
> 
> I use Gentoo with the openrc option.

Gentoo is a rolling release.  I prefer the "stable" philosophy of Debian
-- basically only bug and security fixes. I've been running Wheezy
now for 5 years, and it's, for all practical purposes, the "same" as
when I installed it.  After such a time, a rolling release would be a
completely different animal versionwise.

I've tried rolling releases before.  They are usually cutting edge and
more problematical (Unless they've gotten a lot better).  I want
something that works for years and doesn't break. That's one of the
reasons I chose Debian five years ago. Now, because of the systemd
thing, I'm looking at alternatives.

> Those who are OK with systemd should stick with Debian.

After much reading, I consider systemd more suited to large, busy
servers than a desktop box or notebook with just one user.  It's
like being forced to use a huge tractor-trailer rig with lots of chrome
and lights and 24 gears when a simple mini-van will do. ;-)

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