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Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

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On Sat, Apr 08, 2017 at 11:07:32AM +0200, Nicolas George wrote:
> Le nonidi 19 germinal, an CCXXV, tomas@xxxxxxxxxx a écrit :
> > So we always had multi-user: the trend is rather the other way:
> > since everyone has his/her own gadget, complex things like desktop
> > environments tend to do silly things spoiling the multi-user roots
> > of UNIX.
> We agree on that.

Yes, this was more an answer to Richard.

> > Note that I'm a decided systemd opponent, and that might shine
> > through the above. Feel free to correct any misrepresentation.
> I would not have guessed. But you forgot a very important information:
> what are you a PROponent of?

A more evolutionary approach. A de-boilerplating of SysV and perhaps
an outsourcing of process shepherding to something along the lines
of runit.

Definitely not a tightly coupled process set hooking into everything
from DBus to cgroups.

> With the SysV init system, the init program is stupid: it starts the
> master script that spawns all the individual init scripts, it reaps its
> children dutifully, but it does not keep track of anything beyond a
> single 3-bits piece information called "runlevel".


All the well-known arguments in favour of systemd. I know them by
heart, and this discussion has gone back and forth enough for all
of us. You know the counter-arguments as well as I know the pro
arguments, so I think it's no use in turning another round.

Perhaps we must accept that there are different philosophies here,
without hating each other :-)

- -- tomás
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