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Re: If Linux Is About Choice, Why Then ...

On 2017-03-14, Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 3/14/17 4:37 AM, Liam O'Toole wrote:
>> On 2017-03-13, Erwan David <erwan@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Le 03/13/17 à 20:40, Greg Wooledge a écrit :
>>>> On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 12:30:11PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>>>>> The Linux mantra has always been "choice," plethoras of choices. So why
>>>>> at install time, is there no choice for the init system?  You get what
>>>>> the developers decide. Yes, you can install a new one -- I've done it
>>>>> and it works -- but only after the install.  It'd be a lot easier, if
>>>>> there were a choice to begin with just like whether you want a GUI and
>>>>> which one.
>>>> Because the number of people who want to run a new version of Debian with
>>>> an ancient and deprecated init system is probably in the triple digits,
>>>> worldwide.
>>>> You are a member of a small minority.  It's not reasonable to expect
>>>> that a whole bunch of time will be spent making install images with
>>>> alternative init systems for such a small demand.  You have a solution
>>>> which works just fine.
>>> So why don't you use windows, if you despise minorities ?
>> Using Windows on a server or a phone would put you in a minority.
>>> Your email is both insulting and contemptful. If this is your only
>>> argument, that's bad for the point you pretend to denfend.
>> You are overreacting. Greg's point is that there is little demand for an
>> installer which allows a choice of init system, and that spending time
>> on providing such an installer would not be justified. You are welcome
>> to disagree with that assessment, but please leave out the emotional
>> codswallop.
> There USED TO BE a lot of demand for a choice of installer at init time 
> - from pretty much all of us who object to systemd.  Nobody listened, 
> eventually people gave up, and a lot moved to other distros.
> Miles Fidelman

As I said, you are welcome to disagree with Greg's assessment.

By the way, do you have any evidence (other than anecdotal) of an
upsurge in support for non-systemd distros? You have mentioned it twice
in this thread already.