Re: Is screenshots.debian.net at risk?
- Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 10:30:38 +0100
- From: Johannes Schauer <josch@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: Is screenshots.debian.net at risk?
Hi, Quoting Geert Stappers (2019-03-24 09:53:58) > > bear with me if the topic of the upcoming european copyright law (aka §13) > > has been discussed in other mailing lists. As being responsible for > > screenshots.debian.net I honestly am a bit worried about the implications. > > As usual??? IANAL. > > > > Management summary: screenshots.debian.net is a web site that I > > developed many many years ago and which is since then providing > > user-generated screenshots for applications we manage in Debian. > > Everyone can upload screenshots which are then moderated by pabs and me > > before being published. We try to take care that screenshots of non-free > > packages are not published to avoid copyright issues. And we claim to > > publish screenshots under the same license as the software itself is > > published. This has been the consensus after discussions on this list > > ~10 years ago. Screenshots can be browsed and searched at > > https://screenshots.debian.net/ and are also directly linked to from a > > lot of web sites like packages.debian.net or packages.ubuntu.com. The > > site currently provides 8500 screenshots, has a pretty good uptime and > > according to the web server stats gets a good amount of requests. > > > > I am not only bringing this topic up because there will be a large > > amount of rallies today (at least in Germany) and the topic is very hot. > > The main reason is that I am working on an updated version of the web > > site that will have a revised moderation workflow. pabs suggested that > > we should allow all DDs to freely upload screenshots. That is already > > implemented in the upcoming version and will be handled by our valued > > sso.debian.net client certificates. That of course would mean that DDs > > have to take care of copyright problems when uploading stuff. > > > > A further idea of me is to allow everyone to use SSO providers like > > Launchpad, Stackexchange, Google, Amazon and Github. I was considering a > > system where users would have to upload a certain number of "good > > screenshots" before being allowed to upload freely. I hoped to attract > > more people to upload screenshots without the hassle and delay of going > > through moderation. pabs and I discussed whether it's worth doing that. > > Will there really be so much more user content that it's worth allowing > > that? > > > > Most of us are not lawyers so it may be hard to dig out the ultimate > > truth. But I am personally worried because the server is run under my > > name and I would not like to get into personal trouble while running a > > platform that is providing user-generated content. Because that's what > > all the EU law fuss is currently about. > > > > I would welcome your thoughts on that. Thanks. > > I'm in a simular situation. I do provide servers with wikis to local > user groups. Every person smart enough to register an account upload > whatever they please. > > Do I go implement "filters"? No. > > Do I go shutdown the various wikis? No. > > Do I think that "EU article 13" will harm the libre Internet? Yes I am not a lawyer. But from what I read online and from what is written in the latest version of the proposal in Article 2 (6) http://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/A-8-2018-0245-AM-271-271_EN.pdf It seems that the definition of "online content-sharing service provider" exempts "open source software-developing and- sharing platforms". This might mean that screenshots.debian.net is safe? Probably a better audience for this topic is debian-legal (CC). cheers, josch