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Re: Is screenshots.debian.net at risk?




Hi,

Quoting Geert Stappers (2019-03-24 09:53:58)
> > bear with me if the topic of the upcoming european copyright law (aka §13)
> > has been discussed in other mailing lists. As being responsible for
> > screenshots.debian.net I honestly am a bit worried about the implications.
> > As usual??? IANAL.
> > 
> > Management summary: screenshots.debian.net is a web site that I
> > developed many many years ago and which is since then providing
> > user-generated screenshots for applications we manage in Debian.
> > Everyone can upload screenshots which are then moderated by pabs and me
> > before being published. We try to take care that screenshots of non-free
> > packages are not published to avoid copyright issues. And we claim to
> > publish screenshots under the same license as the software itself is
> > published. This has been the consensus after discussions on this list
> > ~10 years ago. Screenshots can be browsed and searched at
> > https://screenshots.debian.net/ and are also directly linked to from a
> > lot of web sites like packages.debian.net or packages.ubuntu.com. The
> > site currently provides 8500 screenshots, has a pretty good uptime and
> > according to the web server stats gets a good amount of requests.
> > 
> > I am not only bringing this topic up because there will be a large
> > amount of rallies today (at least in Germany) and the topic is very hot.
> > The main reason is that I am working on an updated version of the web
> > site that will have a revised moderation workflow. pabs suggested that
> > we should allow all DDs to freely upload screenshots. That is already
> > implemented in the upcoming version and will be handled by our valued
> > sso.debian.net client certificates. That of course would mean that DDs
> > have to take care of copyright problems when uploading stuff.
> > 
> > A further idea of me is to allow everyone to use SSO providers like
> > Launchpad, Stackexchange, Google, Amazon and Github. I was considering a
> > system where users would have to upload a certain number of "good
> > screenshots" before being allowed to upload freely. I hoped to attract
> > more people to upload screenshots without the hassle and delay of going
> > through moderation. pabs and I discussed whether it's worth doing that.
> > Will there really be so much more user content that it's worth allowing
> > that?
> > 
> > Most of us are not lawyers so it may be hard to dig out the ultimate
> > truth. But I am personally worried because the server is run under my
> > name and I would not like to get into personal trouble while running a
> > platform that is providing user-generated content. Because that's what
> > all the EU law fuss is currently about.
> > 
> > I would welcome your thoughts on that. Thanks.
> 
> I'm in a simular situation. I do provide servers with wikis to local
> user groups. Every person smart enough to register an account upload
> whatever they please.
> 
> Do I go implement "filters"?    No.
> 
> Do I go shutdown the various wikis?    No.
> 
> Do I think that "EU article 13" will harm the libre Internet?   Yes

I am not a lawyer. But from what I read online and from what is written in the
latest version of the proposal in Article 2 (6)

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/A-8-2018-0245-AM-271-271_EN.pdf

It seems that the definition of "online content-sharing service provider"
exempts "open source software-developing and- sharing platforms". This might
mean that screenshots.debian.net is safe?

Probably a better audience for this topic is debian-legal (CC).

cheers, josch

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