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Re: Confusing our users - who is supporting LTS?

On Fri, Nov 02, 2018 at 12:45:17PM +0100, Andrej Shadura wrote:
> > I disagree, in both cases.
> >
> > Debian should not pay anything through an organization that has race, gender
> > and nationality discrimination as its core purpose.  Accepting code produced
> > this way is acceptable (as would be contributions from anyone), but
> > providing monetary support for such ideology is not something I can speak of
> > positively.
> You can extend this logic and claim it’s fundamentally bad to help
> people in need, since that is discrimination on the fact of being in
> need.

...?  I don't see what not tolerating race discrimination has to do with
being against helping people.  Am I missing something?

Both helping people in need, and not promoting any race/etc over another are
pretty basic rules.  Both are important requirements for the society.  The
latter is not included (yet?) in any document of Debian proper (other for
depriving someone of the right to run a piece of software), but at least
DebConf's code of conduct says it clearly:

The following is a list of examples of behavior that is deemed highly
inappropriate and will not be tolerated at DebConf:
* unwarranted exclusion from conference or related events based on age,
  gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, body size,
  race, religion;

So I don't understand why you disagree so strongly with my want to have
similar rule for Debian proper.

> In other words, helping someone who’s in a worst position
> because of been previously and currently being discriminated against,
> while being sort of discriminative (e.g. helping that person and not
> someone who’s not been discriminated against), it fundamentally a good
> thing, as it helps people and brings things into balance.

This paragraph, can't parse.

> Your logic is flawed, just accept it already.

Can't argue with such a statement...

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