Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support
- Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 12:41:36 +0200
- From: Martin Steigerwald <martin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support
Holger Levsen - 19.10.18, 12:02:
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:35:54AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > A minority? Yes. But a sizable one.
> It doesn't matter how many people use it, if noone is willing to
> maintain it. *If* people are maintaining it, it also doesnt matter
> how many people are using it :)
> *Someone* needs to do the work. We are all volunteers. Be the change
> you want to see in the world.
Thanks. Doing just that already in a way I currently can.
People are already working on it. They do not discuss this on this list,
but on the debian-init-diversity list that has been announced in this
I am not helping as a developer at the moment, but I helped quite a bit
with bringing people together and collecting information as I navigate
in both communities (Debian and Devuan). KatolaZ already works on
examing the current status and coming up with a plan, including updating
to latest upstream release of sysvinit. Also there is coordination work
on elogind. It is already packaged in Devuan, but there has been work
for having it packaged in Debian as well.
Obviously there won't be new package releases tomorrow. So it is good to
allow it to take some time, also for involved Debian and Devuan
developers to learn to know and trust each other and agree on a work
Hopefully this is the start of a long-overdue healing process.
What happens if we stop the flame war, if we stop hurting each other and
start accepting that many use Systemd, some use something different and
the world is big enough for both groups? And what happens when it is not
even about which is right and which is wrong, what happens by just
accepting that both are *different*?
Also to me sysvinit is not an end in itself, even tough it has some
priority right now to get the package maintained again. I quite like
runit for example.