Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support
- Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 09:57:01 +0200
- From: Martin Steigerwald <martin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support
Ansgar Burchardt - 16.10.18, 08:53:
> If some people consistently call others a "cancer", accuse them of
> "vandalizing" open source, spread obvious FUD and so on, then I don't
> think they would fit in well in Debian's culture where they would have
> to accept that packages such as systemd exist.
I disagree. So far I saw none of the Devuan developers (!) I had contact
with doing any of the stuff you accuse them of. I think it is important
to see the difference between the comments on random people in some
mailing list or IRC channel and *actual* Devuan *developers*.
I am no Debian maintainer or developer in the formal sense, but I
maintain two packages for Debian. In one of them, fio, I integrated an
sysvinit script for running fio as a service in addition to the Systemd
unit – also for improving support in Devuan that I use with my servers.
As I had some issues with that I asked on Devuan's dng mailing list and
got professional help from KatolaZ mentioning a fio option I was not
aware of and did not think of checking for. That helped me to improve
the upstream Systemd unit as well. Yes, that is right: My work on that
sysvinit script actually led to an improvement of the Systemd unit.
What I saw so far is that Devuan developers are actually not at all
interested in drama, but in getting work done. Here a recent example for
Re: [devuan-dev] Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd
> And no, it's not just that infobot factoid or just random people that
> are totally unrelated to Devuan.
A claim without facts. So FUD in itself. I let go on spending energy to
In addition to that the infobot factiod may easily have not been from a
Devuan developer or someone else related to Devuan:
golinux@xxxxxxxx - 16.10.18, 03:32:
> infobot is a bot with a database that references 119770 factoids that
> can be queried. Each one has it's own individual author and literally
> anybody can add new factoids to the bot. It has been around for about
> 20 years. It *allows* Devuan to use the bot services and would allow
> Debian to do exactly same.
I put the emphasis on *anybody* here.
So I close with a snippet from the post of KatolaZ mentioned above:
KatolaZ - 16.10.18, 06:23:
> Let's try to reduce the useless chit-chat and drama to a minimum,
> please (and the minimum is zero, in this case), since that's not
> helpful at all, and does not build packages. I subscribed to
> debian-devel as well, and will reach out later.
Drama is not helpful to get anything done. KatolaZ already reached out.
I suggest to continue discussion about getting work done on Debian
sysvinit maintainer's list. And to end it here.