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Re: PTS, salsa and knowing if a Debian Maintainer has uploaded a point release.




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On 18/03/2018, Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 01:54:20PM +0530, shirish शिरीष wrote:

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Dear Andrey,

First of all thank you for responding.

>> and maybe at some point also the BTS although then reportbug would
>> have to be retooled to query salsa/gitlab so similar functionality can
>> be provided as it does for bug creation .
> I think the current consensus is that it won't.
>

That is a relief to know as I rely on reportbug and the BTS quite a bit

>> Now if the package maintainer is just a DM, even (s)f he prepares a
>> package, (s)he still needs the ok of a DD to upload/sponsor the
>> package so it fit for distribution i.e. new, experimental or unstable
>> and  ftp-mirror and that whole process.
> This is not true. Please read https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer
> I think you mean regular non-DM non-DD maintainers.
>

Hmm.. I was under the impression that DM or Debian Maintainers do not
have upload rights and only DD's have.

I am confused when I see packages such as
https://tracker.debian.org/news/896579/accepted-qbittorrent-403-1-source-amd64-into-unstable/
just to take as an example.
There have been few packages where I have been confused as well.

Now here it says -

Maintainer: Cristian Greco <cristian@xxxxxxxxxx>
Changed-By: Andrew Starr-Bochicchio <asb@xxxxxxxxxx>

now what role does or did Andrew play in the above. Is he the uploader
or just a reviewer of the work that Cristian Greco did ? Or is it some sort
of team-maintenance thing, not sure.

I do and did see that Cristian did upload some of the older package
releases but
now Andrew seems to be handling that part.

>> Now a user of the package is usually in the dark about this and there
>> is a possibility of upsetting the maintainer even though the person is
>> active on their own team.

> The maintainer can also be preparing the package for uploading and you
> cannot do anything to know that except asking them. And if they committed
> the work in progress into the VCS the tracker will show that.

where would it show ?  Please share an example so I know what to look for.

> tracker could show RFSes though, like how-can-i-help does, actually I
> thought it already shows them.
>

I see two packages which have RFS against them in how-can-i-help

New packages waiting for sponsorship (reviews/tests are also useful):
 - logrotate - https://bugs.debian.org/884697 - RFS: logrotate/3.13.0-1 ITA
 - xml-core - https://bugs.debian.org/885641 - RFS: xml-core/0.18-1 [ITA]

but neither one of them shows up in tracker.debian.org .  I do see
that some people
have decided to adopt those packages which is good though.

>> I looked at the tracker.debian.org BTS page and saw [2] 317711 which
>> exactly talks of this kind of situation and more and this was filed in
>> 2005 so it isn't something which isn't known, just hasn't been
>> acknowledged.

> It only talks about NEW. tracker shows binary NEW, though only in the
> version sidebar, not in the news.
> Do you know any other states which it should track? It's not clear from
> your email.
>

Maybe I was not clear enough,  my concerns are not with the 'NEW' queue
i.e. $ aptitude search '~n' but for existing package updates also to have
the info. of package updates done but not yet in the archive in the
sidebar as well.

Maybe I should file a new bug ?

>> This unknowing became apparent to me when the debian-mate were doing
>> packaging for the 1.20.0 release [3] and more recently when I am
>> asking for a point release of qbittorrent [4] . In this case I know
>> that the maintainer is usually pretty active and perhaps uses the
>> package as well.

> It's not clear what problems do you have with these packages and what are
> you proposing to solve them.
>

Simply, have a more effective feedback loop for know-how as to what's coming
while at the same time create less bit of noise in the BTS asking for
new point releases.

The only other recourse I know  is to traverse
https://incoming.debian.org/debian-buildd/pool/ and that isn't
user/human friendly as it's machine-friendly.

I hope I was able to clarify what I meant above.

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