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Re: Bug#886238: Please introduce official nosystemd build profile

On Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 12:08:42PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> On Fri, 2018-01-05 at 01:47 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > Especially you two shouldn't be fighting.  As far as I know, Svante is
> > somewhat involved with eudev maintenance in Devuan (done mostly by parazyd,
> > though), while Marco has a great wealth of udev experience.
> Well I did the work an parazyd did commit my patches and issued builds. Question
> is: Who did do the real work?

Thanks for correction.  I made the blind assumption that the Maintainer:
field has at least some accuracy.  I'm used to Debian workflows, not

If the whole credit goes to you, good!

> > eudev is currently not needed for Debian, but it's good to have ready and
> > tested packages we can import when/if udev becomes systemd only (which can
> > happen at any moment as its upstream we don't control).
> I really doubt Debian would accept eudev and elogind into their repositories.

Actually, Simon McVittie described a proposal that KatolaZ opined as not
merely acceptable but "a great solution".  It would allow every Debian
package that currently depends on libpam-systemd to be usable on Devuan
without even recompiling, much less a sourceful change -- all while handling
future compat breaks sanely.  I'll see how I can assist.

As for eudev, the only group who can deny a package into the archive are the
ftpmasters, although being useful wrt dependencies is another matter.  If
you think strongly about having such standby package ready, I can sponsor
it into experimental -- on the other hand, unless you can show some benefit,
I strongly would advise against having it in unstable, as it'd complicate
the lives of udev maintainers for no clear gain.  They promised to not make
udev systemd only, and I see no reason for them to renege -- the decision
belongs to a person employed by Red Hat, who could make a future release
require systemd.  If that happens, well, _then_ it'd be time to put eudev
into unstable.

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