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Bug#886238: Please introduce official nosystemd build profile

On Wed, Jan 03, 2018 at 02:48:11PM -0900, Britton Kerin wrote:
> On 1/3/18, Steve Langasek <vorlon@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 03, 2018 at 09:13:24AM -0500, Paul R. Tagliamonte wrote:
> >> Conversely, if the patches are invasive and unmaintainable, its not on
> >> Debian to merge them.

> > Moreover, defining an official nosystemd profile in Debian signals that we
> > are willing to support it, which means any maintainers who refuse such
> > patches will immediately become the targets of abuse from anti-systemd
> > zealots.

> > Building a derivative around the exclusion of libsystemd from the
> > filesystem is not technically defensible.  This is a purely political
> > fork, and it's politics that we should stay entirely clear of.

> As a random long-time user, I recently bought a new pre-built laptop
> with debian and got the systemd fun for the first time.  Decided no
> more debian for me in the future.  I'm pleased to hear that there are
> derivative distros that resist systemd and encourage debian to *allow*
> them, assuming people are willing to do the work.  *Not* allowing this is
> the politics-driven position.

You have misunderstood the technical significance of the proposed
'nosystemd' profile, which is not in any way required in order to support
running a Debian system with an init other than systemd.

Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
Ubuntu Developer                                    http://www.debian.org/
slangasek@xxxxxxxxxx                                     vorlon@xxxxxxxxxx

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