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Re: Debian Stretch new user report (vs Linux Mint)

On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 08:21:21PM +0000, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 10:34:05AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> >Holger Levsen <holger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> >
> >>yes, I also agree this would work and be better than the status-quo.
> >>however I'm inclined to believe doing this and adding a fourth repo,
> >>non-free-firmware (additionally to main, contrib and non-free) would be
> >>even better and also not need a GR.
> >
> >+1.  I think firmware is something conceptually different than non-free
> >software in general, and it would be good to give users a simple way to
> >choose to enable non-free firmware without enabling other non-free
> >software.
> I agree with Lars, Ian, Holger and Russ. (\o/)


> I should now put my effort where my mouth is, and work on drafting
> proposals for the necessary website changes. (That's probably the area I
> can best contribute to right now; I'm less sure of the technical issues
> involved with a fourth repo. But I'd enjoy to learn if anyone feels like
> discussing them here!).

I have put some effort on http://stappers.it/ra303/
to solve the problem of getting non-free firmware
without adding 'non-free' to apt sources.

> >For the discoverability, I would be quite comfortable with putting both
> >the free and the non-free download links prominantly on the page with the
> >non-free link going to or closely tied with a page that discusses the
> >issues, explains why we have this installer even though we don't really
> >want to, and maybe links to the FSF Respects Your Freedom pages to suggest
> >a hardware alternative.
> Agreed. I would like to be open to the idea that we hosted a page like
> that FSF one ourselves, but I think linking to the FSF's work is a good
> interim solution (perhaps long term one, maybe we will never get around
> to writing our own).

Geert Stappers
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