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Re: Debian Stretch new user report (vs Linux Mint)

On Mon, Dec 04, 2017 at 10:34:05AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
Holger Levsen <holger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

yes, I also agree this would work and be better than the status-quo.
however I'm inclined to believe doing this and adding a fourth repo,
non-free-firmware (additionally to main, contrib and non-free) would be
even better and also not need a GR.

+1.  I think firmware is something conceptually different than non-free
software in general, and it would be good to give users a simple way to
choose to enable non-free firmware without enabling other non-free

I agree with Lars, Ian, Holger and Russ. (\o/)

I should now put my effort where my mouth is, and work on drafting
proposals for the necessary website changes. (That's probably the area I
can best contribute to right now; I'm less sure of the technical issues
involved with a fourth repo. But I'd enjoy to learn if anyone feels like
discussing them here!).

For the discoverability, I would be quite comfortable with putting both
the free and the non-free download links prominantly on the page with the
non-free link going to or closely tied with a page that discusses the
issues, explains why we have this installer even though we don't really
want to, and maybe links to the FSF Respects Your Freedom pages to suggest
a hardware alternative.

Agreed. I would like to be open to the idea that we hosted a page like
that FSF one ourselves, but I think linking to the FSF's work is a good
interim solution (perhaps long term one, maybe we will never get around
to writing our own).


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