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Re: ISO download difficult (was: Debian Stretch new user report (vs Linux Mint))

On Sat, Dec 02, 2017 at 11:59:08AM +0000, Sue Spence wrote:
> On 2 December 2017 at 11:49, Holger Levsen <holger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 02, 2017 at 12:32:29PM +0100, Geert Stappers wrote:
> > > URL is https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/
> > cd-including-firmware/
> >
> > so who will make nonfree.debian.net and non-free.debian.net
> > http-redirect to that URL? :)
> I'll be writing a blog post this weekend which links to it, if only for my
> own sake. I get the joke of course, but Debian is free with or without the
> firmware so I wouldn't set up such a redirect out of my own pedantic
> notions of correctness, never mind everyone else's. :)

How about https://works-on-pcs.debian.org?  :-)

Personally, as a developer, I will say there is one benefit of being
so user-unfriendly that the usable ISO is hidden under the
beware-of-leopard sign, which is that it serves as a "you have to be
this technically aware to install debian" barrier.  As a result, we
don't have the low signal-to-noise bug reports that are all-too-common
on Ubuntu's launchpad.net.

So if we want to reform our "FSF-ly correct freedom is more important
than being friendly to novices" (and it's not clear Debian as a whole
agrees with this sentiment), folks might want to consider that this
probably means we will need to have more people doing bug triage.

Personally, I think prioritizing users who just want to a working
PC/Laptop over the FSF is the right choice, since I belong to the
pragmatic wing of the Open Source movement, but I suspect I'm in the
minority in the Debian community.  Which is fine; I'll just continue
to enjoy the high quality of most bug reports in the Debian BTS.  :-)

					- Ted