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Re: ISO download difficult (was: Debian Stretch new user report (vs Linux Mint))

Hi there,

On Sat, 02 Dec 2017 13:17:13 +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 01, 2017 at 10:14:21PM +0100, Luca Capello wrote:
> > > > It would have been best for him to download the ISO with non-free
> > > > firmware embedded, do you know how he made the decision to download
> > > > the ISO without non-free firmware?
> > > 
> > > Every time I need a Debian ISO, it takes me minutes to find it.
> > > I didn't even know, that there were an ISO with non-free firmware.
> > > 
> > > There should be a beautiful ISO download page, e.g.
> > > https://www.debian.org/download[s]/
> > > with all architectures and supported releases, similar to
> > > https://www.ubuntu.com/download
> > > or
> > > https://linuxmint.com/download.php
> > 
> > Like the following?
> > 
> >   <https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/>
> Note "I didn't even know, that there were an ISO with non-free firmware."
> And I'm 100% sure someone who wants to install Linux for the first time
> won't even think about whether they need some special non-official image
> to do that.

Sorry, I was not replying at the "non-free firmware" part, but to
debacle's suggestion of having a "beautiful ISO download page"
(underlined above to be sure we are talking about the same thing).

> > However, given that no one reads the documentation today, but it relies
> > on search engines, the first result in DuckDuckGo (and FWIW in Google as
> > well) for "Debian Firmware" gives...
> This implies someone will actually search for that before trying an
> install and asking why there is no network.

What was not clear in my words?  IMHO you should document yourself
*before* trying something, and I am not even considering firmware at
all.  Or, if you prefer, you should not assume that everything works out
of the box (in any field, thus not IT-restricted).

And, FWIW, when d-i tells you that you need a firmware for network
(Wi-Fi or not) to work, the installation process has not started yet,
which means that if the computer you are installing Debian into is the
only one you have the previous OS is still there.  Thus my tests for
search engine results for "Debian Firmware".

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca

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