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Re: Debian Stretch new user report (vs Linux Mint)

The Wanderer <wanderer@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 2017-12-01 at 16:44, Sven Hartge wrote:
>> Luca Capello <luca@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 01 Dec 2017 14:59:53 -0500, James McCoy wrote:
>>>> People seem to be skipping over the fact that even after ntfs-3g
>>>> was installed, the user only had RO access.  That's the bigger
>>>> issue.
>>> Exactly, which IIRC is the normal behavior if the NTFS filesystem
>>> was not properly "closed", e.g. if Windows was hibernated (or it
>>> uses the Fast Boot/Startup feature, thus suspend2both).
>> Which is normal since at least Windows 7, maybe even Vista, to not
>> shutdown completely, but only shutdown the applications and then
>> hibernate the remaining Windows Kernel and memory to disk, leaving
>> the filesystem unclean.

> Are you sure?

Not on the version specifics, to be honest.

> I've been managing Windows 7 at my workplace for years now, and I've
> never seen this "suspend in response to Shut Down" behavior there; the
> first place I ever saw it was on a Windows 8 machine.  I'm not sure
> I've yet seen it in our current Windows 10 pilot, either, but I also
> haven't looked especially closely there.

Maybe it happens only on Windows 7 on SSD? Or only in specific editions?

But a quick web search reveals that Windows 8 was the first Windows to
have "Fast Startup"/"Hybrid Shutdown" enabled per default and Windows 10
has this feature enabled as well.

I mostly deal, if I have to deal, with the server variant of Windows,
which does not have this feature.

But I have seen the NTFS-mount-only-as-RO problem on other peoples
systems, when dual booting into Linux.


Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.