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Re: ISO download difficult (was: Debian Stretch new user report (vs Linux Mint))

On Fri, Dec 01, 2017 at 07:08:07PM +0100, W. Martin Borgert wrote:
> > > > Of course, the stable amd64 netinst is useful only for VMs.
> > > 
> > > Why?
> > It doesn't contain non-free firmware.
> OK, but that's an exaggeration. More often than not I was
> able to install Debian without non-free firmware. But YMMV.

Install: usually yes.

Have working Wifi: no way (100% non-free firmware required on x86 in my
personal experience).

Have working wired networking: usually but not guaranteed (yay fetching
firmware without network).

CPU crashes and data loss: see microcode in Ian's thread.

Working display: I had to replace a graphics card because nouveau crashed
once an hour while proprietary was stable; on current one nouveau works ok.

And so on, so on.

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⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ "https://click.e.mozilla.org/?qs=e7bb0dcf14b1013fca3820...";
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