Re: Steps towards a patch to document disabling a daemon upon installation
- Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2017 14:41:12 +0100
- From: Ian Jackson <ijackson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: Steps towards a patch to document disabling a daemon upon installation
Sean Whitton writes ("Steps towards a patch to document disabling a daemon upon installation"):
> [draft policy text]
> > +The default behaviour is to enable autostarting your package's daemon.
> > +If the daemon should not be autostarted unless the local administrator
> > +has explicitly requested this, use instead add to your ``postinst``
> > +script
> > +
> > +::
> > +
> > + update-rc.d package defaults
> > + update-rc.d package disable
This has a bug: after the first rune, but before this second, starting
the daemon is enabled. (This is a regression compared to the previous
To make this work correctly, I think we need a new update-rc.d
mechanism which provides, in one go, the equivalent of
update-rc.d DAEMON defaults && update-rc.d DAEMON disable
update-rc.d DAEMON add-disabled
> > +An older practice, which should not be used, was to include a line
> > +like ``DISABLED=yes`` in the package's ``/etc/default`` file. The
> > +package's init script would not start the service until the local
> > +system administrator changed this to ``DISABLED=no``, or similar.
> 1. Is the 'should not' for the /etc/default practice too strong? I
> don't know an efficient way to find out how many packages this would
> make buggy. But given that we have very strong reasons against the
> old practice, we might want to use a 'should not' regardless.
On sysvinit systems, using update-rc.d disable/defaults are rather
* Enabling and disabling cannot, in practice, be conveniently made
without using the update-rc.d tool.
* Enabling and disabling generates a tremendous amount of noise in
/etc (especially visible when using etckeeper).
> 2. Do we need to include any text saying *why* the /etc/default practice
> is a bad idea? I couldn't come up with a succinct way to state it.
> In general, I think we can err on the side of not including the text,
> since we have policy bugs that document the reasons.
How about this text:
Setting a value in /etc/default/PACKAGE is nowadays troublesome
because supporting that pattern is very hard due to inflexibility in
systemd, which is usually the default init system.
This also makes it clear that this pattern is perfectly fine if for
any reason the package does not support systemd.
> 3. The maintscript snippet I have added is not right because it will
> disable the daemon every time the package is updated. Unfortunately,
> the postinst doesn't know whether this is a new installation, or an
This should also be fixed with a new update-rc.d rune.
> I looked at dh_installinit(8) and update-rc.d(8) and I couldn't get
> them to generate a postinst that does what I want. It seems you're
> expected to use all three of these:
> dh_systemd_enable --no-enable
> dh_systemd_start --no-start
> dh_installinit --no-start
> but then after a reboot, a sysvinit system will start the daemon,
I can't speak to the behaviour of systemd, but I think the
operation I propose would, for sysvinit systems, do the follow:
1. Are there already rc*.d links for DAEMON ? If so, do nothing.
2. If not, create them in the way that defaults && disable
would have done.