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Re: Bug#798476: Returning to the requirement that Uploaders: contain humans

Hello Tobias,

Thank you for writing about this bug from the MIA team's perspective,
which is very relevant to resolving this.

On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 08:44:36AM +0200, Tobias Frost wrote:
> Some remarks / questions I do not see adressed:
> - If you have not a name on some task human nature tends toward that nonone
> feels responsible at all. Like the German (fun) expansion of TEAM: Toll, Ein
> Anderer Machts (Great, someone else it taking care)

In most teams, this happens anyway -- I would take this as an argument
against team maintenance more generally.

> - MANY team homepages are not updated or do not even exist. I think before
> droping the requirement to have human uploaders this needs to be fixed by
> policy and it must be RC(?) bug if the team homepage is
> outdated/absent/inaccurate. The infomation about the teams *must* be in a way
> that it can be easily found/parsed.
> - There is currently no way to map a person to a team or to map a team to a
> list of members -- if you need accurary. This is especially true for teams
> that are smaller. - - When someon is going e.g MIA, we need to know which
> teams are involved to trigger them.

For teams on alioth, would you find the list of team members on the
alioth project insufficient?

I agree this doesn't help with teams that do not use alioth but are
based around a mailing list.

As Adrian said, it's not clear what an alternative to Uploaders would
be for this purpose.  But I'm not sure that Uploaders is much use,
either, because in so many teams it's simply not kept up-to-date.

> - Not in all teams it is working tha everyone is looking at every package.
> During the lipng transistion I filed many bugs on team-managed packages which
> were never answered

Right, but having some random team members listed in Uploaders: doesn't help.

> - We have already the problem about "partially MIA" -- people holding several
> pacakgages but neglecting several of them. Currently we have no real measures
> of taking care of the neglected one, MIA team wise. This will be amplified
> when there is no human responsible person named.

Could you explain further how this would amplify the problem?  I agree
that this is a serious problem, but I don't see how this change would
amplify it.

Sean Whitton

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