Re: Bits from the 10th Debian Groupware Meeting
- Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2017 15:21:37 +0200
- From: Rainer Dorsch <fdbaut@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: Bits from the 10th Debian Groupware Meeting
thank you for all the links. My main question was why it is not listed at all
in the groupware wiki, you could easily list nextcloud/owncloud in the section
"Groupware projects not currently considered for inclusion in Debian".
I always had the impression that part of the motivation for owncloud to
collaborate with downstream, that owncloud wanted to preserve their business
model to sell enterprise support.
For the technical part, I am wondering if that is still a real issue. I see
the latest version 12.0.0 was released at May 22 2017, since then there was
not even a bugfix release. Before, I remember that I have seen much shorter
So I can see multiple solutions
1) Debian includes nextcloud only in unstable and testing (probably most
compatible with the nextcloud/owncloud business models, see also https://
2) If Nexcloud is interested to bring their software into the debian repo,
they can help run their regression tests on the upgrade path implemented for
Debian stable releases (which happens infrequently)
3) If only Debian is interested to have nextcloud, assuming that there are
only 1-2 major nextcloud releases within a Debian release, Debian might be
able to handle the upgrade path.
Am Donnerstag, 3. August 2017, 14:07:29 CEST schrieb Martin Steigerwald:
> Hello Rainer.
> Rainer Dorsch - 03.08.17, 13:12:
> > Hi Guido,
> > just wondering, did you consider nextcloud as groupware?
> Owncloud has been in Debian… and its past maintainers gave up on maintaining
> it. For a part of the discussion see:
> Debian Bug report logs - #822681
> RM: owncloud -- ROM; Unfit upstream, uninstallable
> [Pkg-owncloud-maintainers] Removing owncloud from jessie?
> h/ 003200.html
> [Pkg-owncloud-maintainers] You want users to lose data?!?!
> [Pkg-owncloud-maintainers] Bug#815963: Warn users about unsupported upgrade
> [Pkg-owncloud-maintainers] Upstream making our life more and more painful
> (Was: [owncloud-devel] Bug#815963: Warn users about unsupported upgrade
> Debian Bug report logs - #815963
> Warn users about unsupported upgrade path
> I think unless there are significant changes in how upstream handles
> updates… or… in the way how Debian handles webapps it may be difficult to
> find a maintainer for official Nextcloud Debian packages.
> Thank you,