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Re: Too many Recommends (in particular on mail-transport-agent)




On Mon, Jun 05, 2017 at 05:39:41PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Maybe someone has a list of things they view as Recommends inflation that
> have (a) been reported as bugs to the appropriate package maintainers, and
> (b) have been rejected by those package maintainers?  Those are the
> controversial ones that we'd need to talk about.

Here's something even better: an automated way to list bad Recommends that
personally affect you -- ones that made you take steps to ignore them when
installing a package you actually use:

.--==[ list-unsatisfied-recommends ]
#!/usr/bin/python
import apt
c = apt.Cache()
for pkg in c:
    if pkg.installed is not None:
        for rd in pkg.candidate.get_dependencies("Recommends"):
            if not rd.installed_target_versions:
                print pkg, rd
`----

Forgot whom to credit for this tool; alas, it's written in a language that
itself is bloat[1].

More seriously, though, let's go through the list of 94 unsatisfied ones on
my desktop; the list below is transposed to collate recommendees.


Categories:
OK: "Recommends:" looks warranted
DEBATABLE: duh.
BLOAT: potentially useful but I wouldn't make it a Recommends
BAD: downgrade please
TRANSITIVELY BAD: useful for a direct user but not when pulled via a
    dependency -or- causes this lower in the chain



alpine-doc: alpine
* OK: this one looks reasonable

at: devscripts
* BAD: only use: pts-{,un}subscribe.  Why would I ever be interested in a
  package for only a limited time?  The listed use case is bad: NMUs are
  done on unmaintained packages, thus they won't magically fix themselves in
  30 days.

bash-completion: bash dput-ng licensecheck
* DEBATABLE: I like the Tab key to do something reasonable,
  "bash-completion" means you never know what you'll get.

<ton of Java crap>: libreoffice-base
* BLOAT: they're no longer owned by Sun, what's the reason to keep Java
  scripting?

dnsmasq-base: lxc
* BAD: how often are you on a network without a DNS server?

fonts-cantarell: fontforge-common
* BAD: FontForge works perfectly without it

fonts-noto-cjk: fonts-noto
* BLOAT: unlike greek/runes/etc, you can't learn Chinese hieroglyphs on a
  whim, thus it's useless for most users.  You may want a _single_ CJK font
  so you can tell whether a text is in C, J or K but that's it.

freedoom | game-data-packager: prboom-plus
* DEBATABLE: freedoom is too ugly to live, shareware Doom has assets missing
  for running pretty much anything Doom-related (and AFAIK its license
  forbids add-ons).  On the other hand, this is an excuse for Doom engines
  in main.

freepats: libwildmidi-config timidity
* BAD: freepats is too ugly to live: abysmal quality, lacks instruments for
  pretty much any .mid file in the wild.  We do have a bunch of good
  alternatives.  timgm6mb-soundfont for one is 5.6 times smaller yet is
  complete.

geoclue-2.0: redshift
* TRANSITIVELY BAD: insane dependency chains, otherwise would be useful for
  a mobile device (this desktop is not one)

gfortran-mingw-w64: gcc-mingw-w64
* BAD: seriously, Fortran?

ghostscript: gimp imagemagick-6.q16 libmagickcore-6.q16-3 netpbm
* BAD: why would editing images care about a grossly obsolete _document_
  format?

gimp-gmic: gimp-plugin-registry
* BLOAT: an obscure plugin, looks useful for only for a small minority of
  users; -plugin-registry is not pulled by default though so it's debatable

gnat-mingw-w64: gcc-mingw-w64
* BAD: see Fortran.

gnupg-l10n: gnupg
* DEBATABLE: I don't think anyone tech skilled enough to use GPG would have
  problems with English, but localization is important.  On the other hand,
  this is 4.5MB in the default install.

gsfonts: libmagickcore-6.q16-3 libwmf0.2-7
* BAD: see ghostscript

gvfs: atril easytag thunar
* BAD: gvfs is a major annoyance and a security hole

libaacs0: libbluray1
* BLOAT: useful only if you rip optical media

libatm1 >= 2.4.1-17~: iproute2
* BLOAT: I'm rather certain my desktop machine has no direct ATM link --
  unfit for the default install

libclass-xsaccessor-perl: libmoo-perl
* BLOAT: wut?

libgit-wrapper-perl: devscripts
* ????: I've never used git-deborig, is it actually useful?  Tiny package,
  though.

libgnomeui-0: xscreensaver
* BAD: Gnome users won't run xscreensaver

libgpm2: libncurses5:i386
* OK: or rather, not doable with current tools: we do want mouse support
  in curses programs (libgpm2 handles X terminals too, right?) but in this
  case it's a multiarch copy of an otherwise important package

libgpod-common: libgpod4
* BLOAT: nope, I don't use iJunk

libgtk2-perl: tablet-encode
* out of archive

libhtml-format-perl: libhtml-tree-perl libwww-perl
* ????: wut?

libhttp-daemon-perl: libwww-perl
* TRANSITIVELY BAD: dependency comes from a client package; if I want to run
  a http server I know where to find it

libimage-magick-perl: inkscape
* ????: wut?

liblist-compare-perl: devscripts
* ????: again, git-deborig

libmail-sendmail-perl: po-debconf
* BAD: why would po stuff want to send mail?

libpackage-stash-xs-perl: libpackage-stash-perl
* TRANSITIVELY BAD: dependencies pulling more dependencies, why?

libpam-cap: libcap2-bin
* ????: no idea.

libpam-cgfs: lxc
* OK: sounds useful, likely a victim of --no-install-recommends overlooked
  due to bloat in the rest of this list

libpam-systemd: xfce4-power-manager xfce4-session
* BAD: Depends:systemd, utterly pointless without it.

libpng-tools: libpng-dev
* BAD: I see no connection between compiling or coding a program using
  libpng and repairing a corrupted image (pngfix is the only contents of
  this package)

libpurple-bin: libpurple0
* BAD: a library has no reason to install programs

<an imperial buttload of obscure libreoffice plugins>: libreoffice
* BAD: especially in a default install, why would I want to build reports
  using a weird Java-only database I never heard about (despite not being
  born yesterday)?

libsoap-lite-perl: devscripts
* ????: apparently some obscure option of dch, I don't know.

libtasn1-doc: libtasn1-6-dev
* TRANSITIVELY BAD: probably useful if you do TASN (whatever it is), pulled
  in by a very-widespread library (gnutls)

libunicode-utf8-perl: libpath-tiny-perl
* ????: isn't Perl's built-in UTF-8 decoding good enough?

libwacom-bin = 0.24-1: libwacom2
* BAD: dependency from a library; I'm certain I never even walked close to
  a drawing tablet

libwmf-bin: inkscape
* BLOAT: image support is useful, an ancient format with ActiveX-level
  concept of security not quite so.

libx11-doc: libx11-dev
* TRANSITIVELY BAD: useful for developing stuff using ancient X11 protocol,
  useless for anyone using something meant for humans.  We don't code
  assembly every day, you see.

light-locker: xfce4-session
* BAD: needs to absolutely, immediately, $EXPLETIVE die!!1!elebenty-one!

musescore-soundfont-gm | fluid-soundfont-gm | freepats: libsdl-mixer1.2
* BAD: depends from a library -- if a program actually does MIDI, it should
  depend on sound fonts itself

pavucontrol: xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin
* BAD: PulseAudio means no working sound, until you fix it, sorry no.

perl5: xscreensaver
* BAD: any dependency on a non-existent package is bad, m'kay?

pulseaudio: xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin
* BAD: I want working sound, duh.

python-bs4: python-lxml
* BAD: no idea what BeautifulSoup 4 is, I don't want it.

python-html5lib: python-lxml
* TRANSITIVELY BAD: pulled by transitive recommends of nmap: ndiff sounds
  sort-of useful, it definitely doesn't decode HTML5 though

python-paramiko: dput-ng python-dput
* ????: dput seems to work fine without it?

python-validictory: python-dput
* BAD: no idea what dput would use a "schema validator" for

qt-at-spi: libqtgui4
* ????: wut?

qttranslations5-l10n: libqt5core5a
* BAD: dependency from a library

rename: perl
* BAD: old transition from many years ago

rpm-common: librpm3
* BAD: dependency from a library, I'm rather certain I don't run Red Hat

systemd-sysv | systemd-shim: xfce4-session
* BAD: no, a window manager has no business picking an init implementation

tcpd: libwrap0 libwrap0:i386
* BAD: dependency from a library, obsolete tool: I'm rather certain I don't
  use "incoming telnet, ftp, rsh, rlogin, finger", support in newer stuff is
  rather exotic

timidity-daemon: timidity
* BAD: why, oh why, I would want a daemon?  When I play a .mid file (once in
  a blue moon these days), timidity works fine then exits.

transfig: inkscape
* BLOAT: a badly obsolete image format, pulls in ghostscript and other crap

u-boot-sunxi:armhf: sunxi-tools
* ????: this machine can run natively only amd64/i386/x32 code, the only
  target machine I can talk FEL to is arm64.  Recommends could be possibly
  warranted if turned to an |arm64 alternative.

usbmuxd: libimobiledevice6
* BLOAT: I don't do iJunk, apparently this daemon is started only on demand
  though so it's not in the BAD category

uuid-runtime: libuuid1 libuuid1:i386
* BAD: useful only if you generate many many UUIDs per second, certainly
  unfit when coming from a transitively essential library

va-driver-all | va-driver: libva1:i386
* ????

vbetool: pm-utils
* BLOAT: I assume x86 graphic cards made this millenium have at least basic
  support in the kernel, without running real-mode BIOS code, right?

wordnet-gui | artha: wordnet
* BAD: a Tcl/Tk interface, really?  Way less convenient than the
  command-line one.

xml-core: libxml2 libxml2:i386
* BAD: what the heck I'd want a "XML catalog" for?

xserver-xorg-legacy: xserver-xorg
* DEBATABLE: grossly obsolete hardware, but maintainers apparently know
  what they're doing

yelp: easytag
* BAD: easytag appears to ship no help, invoking a web browser instead




Meow!

[1]. At least Python is merely bloat when you have better alternatives like
Perl, unlike atrocities like .NET or PHP that deserve a cpl. Hicks solution.
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