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Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)





On 05/16/2017 04:56 AM, lumin wrote:
>> I'll take any day a sort animations that explains things rather then
>> going through forest of information to figure out what is it, but I
>> guess these all are personal opinions.
> A tiny bit of animations should be enough for our homepage. The style
> of lxde.org does not fit Debian's style and I think the style of the
> old lxde homepage is a better fit at this point.

I didn't say we should become YouTube channel, I just pointed the
difference from one to another opinion regarding what is better for
easier understanding of particular things.

>
> Too much animation and loud web page elements are too fancy but
> actually somewhat annoying, and lack solemnity.
>
>>>> I believe that what we are actually looking for is a bit of
>>>> improvement in the marketing side.
>>>> Modern and fancy things.
>>>>
>>>> The LXDE example is good on that.
>>> http://lxde.org/ seems to be the site in question. I agree with
>> Paul,
>>> I don't like it, and when I encounter pages in that style, I tend
>> to
>>> close the window.
>> Then lets forget about getting newcomers (fresh blood) to Debian as
>> you're so close minded to modern/new things - the same way they
>> probably
>> close the window when they see '90 style with a lot of text that
>> actually says nothing. We are strange with our talks last few
>> debconfs -
>> we want new people but we don't want to break our precious habits nor
>> do
>> we want to give freedom to others to express themselves if they don't
>> fit into our circle of thinking which must be the best one.
> LXDE is a desktop environment so it's fine to craft a fancy homepage
> to attract people. However that style does not fit Debian.

What is the style of Debian?

>
> Most of modern business websites are fancy. New bloods may like
> them.
> However if we craft a fancy page alike, they will forget
> it immediately
> after closing the window. And many of you don't
> like that to happen,
> aren't you?
>
> What exactly scares newbies away is the feeling of rigidness but
> not the solemnity and simplicity. We value our common value,
> we appreciate the hard work you've done via bugs.d.o and
> ftp-master and many others alike, but what a newbie can see
> about Debian is its face. I know that new users who value
> only "pretty face" are less likely to catch the common value
> of Debian, and people with love to this community can bear
> any "ugly face" of it.  No one dislike a proper and better design.

We don't want only users who will value what you value, nor users who
can contribute to Debian - we also should be perfectly capable to catch
average users like my grandma and not see her slip to Windows, Mac or
Debian derivative.

>
> IMHO there are two good examples, the Gentoo homepage and the kernel
> homepage https://www.kernel.org/ .(Remember the old kernel page?)
> These pages are pretty but not annoying. An ideal homepage for Debian
> should be 1. solemn and silent (as few loud elements/animations
> as possible) 2. informative (dense but not exhausting one's eyes)
> 3. well-designed (e.g. https://www.kernel.org/ is visually simple,
> but not too simple. Visitors sense a well-designed style.)
>
> On the other hand, I think the CD image link of Sid should be added
> to the Debian image download page, maybe with some tags say
> "for expert".
>
I don't agree with sid image (I don't think we even produce those) but
testing one should be fine (with short explanation how to upgrade to sid
if one wants or even add experimental branch - we have it, we could as
well show it more).