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Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)




Hello,

Am 15.05.2017 um 21:45 schrieb Zlatan Todoric:
> 
> 
> On 05/15/2017 02:02 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
>> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 01:42:09PM +0200, Arturo Borrero Gonzalez wrote:
>>> On 15 May 2017 at 13:30, Paul Wise <pabs@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> TBH if I was confronted with the new LXDE web design with CSS turned
>>>> on, I would probably just close the page. The old page is way more
>>>> informative and less heavy on the marketing.
>>>>
>>> Hi Paul,
>>>
>>> I believe that what we are actually looking for is a bit of
>>> improvement in the marketing side.
>>> Modern and fancy things.
>>>
>>> The LXDE example is good on that.
>> http://lxde.org/ seems to be the site in question. I agree with Paul,
>> I don't like it, and when I encounter pages in that style, I tend to
>> close the window.
> 
> Then lets forget about getting newcomers (fresh blood) to Debian as
> you're so close minded to modern/new things - the same way they probably
> close the window when they see '90 style with a lot of text that
> actually says nothing. We are strange with our talks last few debconfs -
> we want new people but we don't want to break our precious habits nor do
> we want to give freedom to others to express themselves if they don't
> fit into our circle of thinking which must be the best one.

these two questions come into my mind:

What does a "newcomer" expect from such a website?
what do we expect from a newcomer?


>> * It's not nearly information-dense enough. www.debian.org is too
>>   dense, but the lxde one goes too far in the other direction.
>>   Something in between would be good.
>>
>> * It's hard for me to navigate or to find anything. It has a short
>>   one-sentence summary ("Desktop environment for all"), but nowhere on
>>   the front page does it mention that it works on Linux. That
>>   information is probably on some other page, linked from the front
>>   page, but finding that is someone else's job.
>>
> Well Debian on its page doesn't mention it is Linux based or has Linux
> kernel or at all word Linux. And short sentences are fine - no one is
> forcing you to learn all plane parts and how it works to just board it
> and come from point A to B. If we want users, you need to understand
> that they just want a nice looking and working OS, they don't want to be
> preached about it. For devs - we just need to have something like "Want
> To Become Debian Developer" and link it to some good doc.
> 

To go from user to dev is a gliding way.

"Want To Become Debian Developer" is the last step for a dev not the
first one. IMO

We should try to differ into the different tasks for the user e.g:

* Installation
* Configuration
* Applications
* ...
* How can I help
* Structure of the Packages
* Packaging
* ...

my 2 cents
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