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Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

Le 16/05/2017 01:48, Sean Whitton a écrit :
Hello Zlatan,

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 09:45:46PM +0200, Zlatan Todoric wrote:
Then lets forget about getting newcomers (fresh blood) to Debian as
you're so close minded to modern/new things - the same way they probably
close the window when they see '90 style with a lot of text that
actually says nothing. We are strange with our talks last few debconfs - we want new people but we don't want to break our precious habits nor do
we want to give freedom to others to express themselves if they don't
fit into our circle of thinking which must be the best one.

I'm a relative newcomer, and I'm less than 30 years old, and one thing
that attracted me to Debian was the website's not being like lxde.org :)

More generally, while I agree that we should be flexible in the pursuit
of new contributors and users, we mustn't lose our identity in that

Well Debian on its page doesn't mention it is Linux based or has Linux
kernel or at all word Linux.

We have Linux, HURD and the FreeBSD kernel, though.  I suspect the
thought was Debian hopes its practices, values and community will
outlive any specific kernel, just like they could outlive apt/dpkg.

Yes, Debian is a community like another, and a community is build
with shared principles. Design isn't principle, it is just a shameful
exploitation of the idea of beauty, serving a precise purpose which
is not a shared principle. Wanting to do the number is not and should
never be a goal of Debian.

Debian say claim to be "The universal operating system". It should not be
understood that it is used by everyone but that is generalist
and at the service of all.

Design and advertising are one and the same, manipulating the mind through the image to obtain consent. We are stuck in this rotten atmosphere since
the interwar period.

Stéphane Aulery